Phil Lilley

Taney's not a trout park. We've covered this a dozen times in the past. I've called the local agent - it's been a number of years ago (the forum is over 5 years old) and he assured me that it is legal to chum anywhere on Taneycomo.

It's NOT illegal to shuffle or chum for trout in MO

Cause you have 112 posts. It will change.

Took me a bit to figure out PITA

Chief- you and Stoneroller need to go have a cup of coffee together and then may be go fishing. You buy. You've been here longer.

Peppy is the name of the dubbing. It's gray dog hair mixed with gray antron. Tie it like any other scud - dub and brush.

I drove to the dam- wanted to fish the spin cast rig and jigs. #2 outlet - casted a jig and float using a olive and then a tan micro with no luck. Walked and fished down to the stairs near #3 outlet and nothing. Wind was blowing upstream. Tough conditions for I wanted to do and that's throw a jig straight. Drove to the boat ramp. Walked up a little. Tried a olive micro and caught a few rainbows. Fished it under the float 24 inches. Tied on a sculpin 1/32nd oz jig - nothing. Tied on a brown 1/32nd oz jig and they liked it! Tried to stand on rocks out in the lake alittle and casted up lake, with the wind, along the bank. Caught the biggest and most rainbows in front of the big rocks. Had one pushing 17 inches. Several others around 14 inches. I worked the brown jig for quite a while - missed a bunch of strikes. Went to take it off and noticed the point was broken off. Darn! Then put on a float and fished a 1/125th oz brown/black jig about 24-30 inches deep and caught 3-4 more rainbows. They liked brown. Fun time. The lake wasn't as crowded as I thought it'd be. Rebar was covered up but up and down from there waders were spread out pretty well. Some some fish caught, mainly small rainbows. The wind was tough! Hate when it blows up lake.

I arrived Wednesday at 1:30 PM and fished rebar to big hole with no generation and 70 degree weather. It was a great day to be out wading! I used a size 18 gray scud at rebar and landed eight rainbows. When I got below rebar I switched to a cream colored crackelback size 12 and stripped it through the slower water. I landed another 15 rainbows, the largest about 16 inches. The horn sounded at 6:00 PM and I went back to the room for dinner. At 9:00 PM they were running two generators when I got to the upper parking lot. There was only one vehicle in the lot and and the fisherman was walking up from the water. It was a pleasant surprise to meet Leonad Kenney for the fist time. He gave me a couple of flies and told me to follow him down to the cable. We fished for a couple of hours and I landed three rainbows as I watched him landed many more. Thursday we rented one of your johnboats as they ran 2-3 generators all day. We started at the cable and drifted down to the old KOA. I was throwing 3/16th oz jigs in white and gray/white on 2 lb line. I would catch two or three fish on each drift. After several drifts we floated from lookout to the bend above fall creek. The fast water at Point Royale to just below Andy William's house was the most productive using the same jigs. After lunch we went back to the cable and I fished a small egg sinker with a size 10 white fly. It was the best action I had all day, especially from outlet 2 to big hole. I broke several off on the bottom and it was at that time you hand delivered the white jigs to our boat. (You can't beat that for service!) You said they were working for you so needless to say we tied them on and continued to catch fish until dark. Friday at 4:30 AM I went back and fished from the cable to above outlet 2 using the same white weighted fly Leonard gave me. There was a light mist most of the morning as they ran one generator. I ended up landing eight fish with the largest being 18". Most of the fish were caught between outlet 1 and the railroad tie on the bank. When it got light I swithced to a 1/8th scuplin colored jig on 2 lb line. I caught anther six rainbows and quit at 9 AM so I could get back and check out of the room. At 10:30 am I went back to rebar and fished an 18 tan scud below an indicator. I land seven more rainbows and called it a day at 1:00 PM as the crowd was stating to build as a result of the upcoming holiday weekend. I had a great time and caught alot of rainbows, but not one brown. The largest was 18" and there were another half dozen that were over 16". There were an unusually large number of the small silver bullets that had recently been stocked. As always it was a great time to be at Lilley's Landing catching trout! I hope to be back again in March. Thanks, Bill Howe

In some places, say, on Taneycomo below the dam, there's enough slow current to carry scuds and other bugs downstream when you step. Kick up the gravel and it sends lots of bugs downstream. Drop your fly in that cloud of bugs and the feeding frenzy that occurs and you'll catch a rainbow. It works real well. Couple of things that are negatives. One is kicking and dislodging bugs probably isn't good for the bugs, although I think it's not devastating as some make it out to be. I think if you asked 100 fly fishing anglers if it's unethical, I would guess about 70-80% would say it is (IMO). And thirdly, if you're fishing close to 2-3 or 4 people kicking wildly in the stream, it's a good guess that most of the fish in that area are below those guys kicking and not in front of you. Did I miss anything? BTW- saw 6 people kicking in Rebar this morning. Some were obvious, some tried to make it look like they were just fishing downstream of their feet. Bottom line, until MDC makes it illegal, there will be people who will kick cause they don't think it's bad, they like to catch fish and/or they have trouble catching trout any other way.

You should see the boat traffic this morning... If you sat and watched the webcam, you'd be amazed by the boats heading upstream. All our boats are out except 3 pontoons - that's 12 jons, 4 bass boat and 1 pontoon. It's gotta be pretty crowded from Short Creek up. I may go out and mosey around but have to take a pontoon. I bet the area below the dam is crawling with waders. I may go up there instead and take my spin cast rig and jigs. See if I get any ugly stares.

Anyone have any good stories... this is getting pretty depressing.

Got to wash them, don't you?

Deep freezers may be for mushrooms, might they?

This is the hatchery intake, not the turbine intake. They were cleaned last fall.

"And you're a jerk for questioning my common sense."

The arguments are getting more and more senseless... the degree that one person tries to make a point, like if Mtn Lions are breeding or not, is amazing. When in reality, no one can prove it one way or the other. It's all conjecture. It all boils down to-- "my common sense is better than your common sense."

Have I seen that report?? If they're biting on LOZ, then why aren't they biting on Bull Shoals or TR? Or hasn't anyone been trying? Guess I need to - try I mean. I REALLY need to head to LOZ for a winter crappie fix. Bill? How about it??!?

It's been going on for along time. But put it in perspective- 6500 members and there's only a handful who are always the ones who take the arguments to heights of attacks and endless points when no one's mind is changed and no one really cares besides the 3 or 4 doing the posting. One thing I would point out though - this forum is like a TV. There are stations you like to watch like the Outdoor Channel and those who don't like - MTV. I never tune into MTV cause I know I won't like it. If you don't like the bickering... don't click the topic. I don't till someone brings it to my attention that member #1 is bashing member #2.... again. I'll keep warning members, closing topics, advising members to edit their posts and even deleting topics. I don't want to micro manage the forum and I don't want to start deleting members. Would like to hear from others on the subject- thanks for bringing it up.

<p><img src="http://forums.ozarkanglers.com/images/2011/flip-rainbow-500.jpg" width="500" height="223"></p> <p>What a difference a week makes.&nbsp; Seven days ago, we were setting record low temperatures below zero.&nbsp; Yesterday we set a record high of 73 degrees, and the forecast is looking like spring is here.&nbsp; But it’s not.&nbsp; Don’t be fooled.&nbsp; It’s mid-February.</p> <p><img src="http://forums.ozarkanglers.com/images/2011/jigbox-350.jpg" width="250" height="175" hspace="5" vspace="5" align="right">But for now, boating on the lake is better than tolerable; it’s quite nice.&nbsp; This morning we&nbsp;&nbsp; actually had fog on the lake from the cold water and warm, humid air, just as in summer months.&nbsp; Generation has ceased except for a weird two-unit all-day run yesterday, which made no sense to me.&nbsp; I’ve told lots of people that the Corps probably wouldn’t run any water until this warm spell passes and we’re back to winter weather, but yesterday the Corps made me a liar . . . again.</p> <p>Speaking of the Corps and running water, here’s&nbsp; a link to a video showing something you won’t see every day.&nbsp; It’s an underwater video of the intake grate, 130 feet below the surface of Table Rock Lake on its dam face.&nbsp; The first video shows the grate before it was cleaned.&nbsp; The obstruction:&nbsp; channel catfish.&nbsp; The second video is the grate after it was cleaned.&nbsp; Officials have had to clean the grate twice now in five years, and, surprisingly, before the first cleaning, had not had to clean the grate at all.&nbsp; Does that mean there’s a boom in the catfish population?</p> <p><strong><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/JRNr7GVz8NaPXAiT0Q8E8CB8Jz7oqZipt2qmCJXt_54?feat=directlink" target="_blank">Video One</a></strong> <br> <br> <strong><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/G7wzXQwKVupOJpfvuLQvFCB8Jz7oqZipt2qmCJXt_54?feat=directlink" target="_blank">Video Two</a></strong> <br> <br> <img src="http://forums.ozarkanglers.com/images/2011/phila-250.jpg" width="250" height="262" hspace="5" vspace="5" align="right">I’ve done quite a bit of fishing this week, so some of my report is firsthand.&nbsp; The funniest and most successful trip was Wednesday when I got to fish with Guide Vince Elfrink.&nbsp; We took the boat out and went up past Short Creek to the Riverpoint boat ramp (south side of the lake), kept the boat a little south of center and fished to the deep side using an olive micro jig, two-pound line and a float, setting the depth at five feet.&nbsp; Between the boat traffic and a breeze every once in a while, the surface was broken enough to keep the jig moving. The rainbows liked it!&nbsp; We caught rainbows, one after the other, for two hours.&nbsp; Surprisingly, some of these rainbows were larger than the rainbows I caught earlier in the week in the trophy area, but there were a lot of dinks, too.<br> The Missouri Department of Conservation’s Shepherd of the Hills Hatchery has stocked its fish once this week down in the Landing area, while they have stocked rainbows from the federal hatchery in Neosho several more times this week.&nbsp; These rainbows typically are smaller although, learning the almost all our rainbows stocked in the last three months have come from Neosho, I know they’ve stocked some decent rainbows too.&nbsp; <br> Our water temperature is very cold for this time of year.&nbsp; I think our normal water temperature for February should be in the mid- to upper 40’s.&nbsp; Clint Hale, hatchery manager, told me they’re getting 42-degree water from their intake.&nbsp; I’m getting 39 degrees when I’m out in the boat below the dam while the water is running.&nbsp; We usually don’t see 39 until May.&nbsp; Colder than normal temperatures will slow the rate of rainbows’ growth.&nbsp; That may be the reason Shepherd is holding its rainbows and letting the Neosho ones take up the slack.&nbsp; Rainbows stocked in Taneycomo are supposed to average more than 11 inches in length.</p> <p> Earlier in the week, I fished between Lookout and Fall Creek and threw 1/16th-ounce jigs using two-pound line.&nbsp; With no generation and very little wind, the trout bit fairly well.&nbsp; We caught a couple of rainbows pushing 19 inches, but most of the other trout were closer to 14 inches.&nbsp; We threw sculpin-, sculpin/peach- and sculpin/ginger-colored jigs. </p> <p> <img src="http://forums.ozarkanglers.com/images/2011/philb-250.jpg" width="250" height="298" hspace="5" vspace="5" align="right">With the water running yesterday, we drifted pink 1/125th-ounce marabou jigs under a float four feet deep from Lookout to Fall Creek and picked up rainbows here and there.&nbsp; We stayed from the middle to the shallow side of the lake.&nbsp; I bet if we had tied on a red San Juan worm and a #12 gray “peppy” scud on two-pound line with a small split shot, we would have slayed the rainbows drifting in the same area.<br> Below Fall Creek, fishing with a&nbsp; jig-and-float or throwing a jig straight should be one of the best techniques in catching fish this weekend.&nbsp; Use two-pound line if you dare but four-pound is okay.&nbsp; If you’re using two-pound line, throw a 1/16th-ounce jig, but if you’re using four-pound line, throw a 3/32nd-ounce jig.&nbsp; Keep several colors handy to try—sculpin, olive, brown, ginger and the combo colors with sculpin, ginger, peach and orange.</p> <p> Night crawlers are catching larger rainbows than Power Bait but either bait is good.&nbsp; Inject the worm with some air to get it off the bottom and only use half at a time.&nbsp; You could slide a Gulp floating egg up above the night crawler to float it off the bottom, too.&nbsp; Gulp colors that have been good are white/orange and white/pink.&nbsp; Yellow nuggets have been hot, too.<br> One more pointer—when handling rainbows in the boat or on the dock, if you’re going to release the fish, handle the trout with a WET rag, not a dry one.&nbsp; All a dry rag does is wipe all the protective slim from a trout’s body, leaving it susceptible to bacteria and disease.&nbsp; If the hook is down deep in the trout’s throat, cut the line; don’t pull it out.</p>

I'll changed this to Lake Taneycomo forum. What creek are you talking about?

Vince was diagnosed with a tumor in his brain last August. Inoperable. He's had 2 biopsies, 3 1/2 rounds of chemo and radiation. He's had blood clots twice in his legs and once in his lungs. Latest report is that the tumor has not changed at the least, in more than 6 weeks. It's either in remission or dead, doctors believe the latter. But swelling has caused his mind to be fuzzy. His stamina is not very good but improving. His frame of mind is excellent. He and his wife, kids and a host of friends believe God has done a miracle in Vince's body. One doc last fall said, "No one survives stage 4 cancer of this kind". It's amazing to see him in the boat fishing. He doesn't miss a step. God is working in this deal, in me, in Vince and many others. Sometime it takes sickness to bring us back to what is important in his short life. I praise God for what he's doing in Vince... and in me. Thank you! http://ozarkanglers.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=26691 (video)

Should have laughed at him and catch a rainbow in front of him. I'd take it as a challenge. All "these people" are like that at all. Just the one who said it. Don't let it bother you. Just have a great time. You should try throwing some small marabou jigs when the water is low. #2 line and 1/32nd oz sculpin jig will catch alot of trout up there when the water is low. They don't see many small jigs like that. They see alot of scuds and san juans.

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="640" height="510" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/7gmteUt9hV8?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> This is from yesterday. Vince and I fished yesterday from about 2-4 pm and today about the same time period. Yesterday the water was off all day, alittle wind and cloudy. We sat just above the Riverpoint Estates Boat Ramp in the middle of the lake and cast to the middle. We used olive micro jigs with a gold head under a float 4-5 feet deep. The trout wouldn't leave them alone - it was great! Today we boated to the cable below the dam since they're running 2 units today. Of course we started with white jigs. They weren't on them like last week but they bit. Vince and I both landed several rainbows about 18 inches and fat but we also caught lots of smaller rainbows. Wind was tough but not too bad. Gusty. I threw a 3/32nd oz jig straight and Vince used the fly rod, fishing a 1/16th oz jig under a carrot float 5-6 feet. No pics today. Had to concentrate on keeping the boat straight for Vince. Not sure why they ran water today... hope they got it out of their system for the weekend. Looked like there were a bunch of people on the banks expecting low water.

Uh... back to the question...