Phil Lilley

That's a very cheap shot.

Weather straightens out and we'll do more. We've already talked about it.

What is the state record? That's got to be close.

This is the slow time of year for the forum... not many reports. But it'll heat up in January. So will the fishing. Come March, hold on!!

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Both. We raised our kids over guest's rooms. They still tip-toe when they come home. But our carpet is now 21 years old and so it the pad. The floor creaks so we need to fix both problems. We have too many college kids over at the house late at night and they don't know the "rules".

Anyone have any good experience soundproofing a floor? I need to screw down alot of the subfloor plywood. There are some vinyl products out there I've read about. Not going the light weight concrete way... too much.

What streams do you fish? Welcome.

I ordered one last night. Can't wait to see all the new videos... Lone Angler, Brian. Will have to tell Santa to get one for Kyle and Justin, then we'll have the trout on NFOW covered!!

Hey- how about the Crimson Tide!! Lookin' good. Thanks for the plug on your forum. I think the guys can be of help on the Current. Just hope you time you trip when the water is in good shape. Our rivers have been blown so many times the last couple of years. If you hit it right, it'll be some great fishing.

I agree. The smallies caught by Leonard and others below the dam was a freak deal. Only when the gates opened wide in 08 did we see walleye and smallies there in those numbers. Never before since I've been here (1983). The best smallmouth are on the lake is the Landing area and up in Bull Creek. That's what I've seen from others catching smallies on Taney.

What camera? How'd you get the underwater shots?

Pat- It was one of those things that you'd think about sharing... but not getting around to it. But it was on the local radio station earlier this week and the newspaper called dad twice so for all we knew it would go AP any day. So, what the heck!

It's a flip camera. Simple to use. It's got to be something to do with your browser... I added a link to the video at the bottom of the window. Here it is -

What does it show? There's an "Options" tab at the top left of the first topic post, click that and tell me what view you are using. Should be standard.

Coy Howry from Ada, OK... a good friend of mine who was in for the weekend.

Remember Trav talking about the lower lake after the 08 floods? He said it washed a ton of trees and debry in the lake and it was sitting on the bottom all over the place. Wonder if it's still there. Might have created great habitat for bass and we may see big numbers- or may be already seeing good number reflected by MDC's 08 report. I'm going to ask for reports from the last 10+ years and see what it tells us, like I have for Upper Taney.

Fished this afternoon with Bill. He can tell you the details. I'm still lost on the lake. Did catch some fish. Tried to show his electronics - it was pretty cool to watch. "> " type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="660" height="405">

I really don't know the lower lake that well but there are coves and creeks that flow in. Points and quite a bit of wood in the water. Largemouth, yes. I don't think there's many if any K's and yes there are smallmouth but again, don't seem to be that many. Blue gill- very good. And a decent number of crappie and whites.

Wayne, Don't you think it's seasonal? Winter, the water below the dam is actually warmer than down lake. Summer, it's colder below the dam. Other times it's close to being the same. When they generate non stop and heavy, it's the same except for inlets and coves where it will be either warmer or colder depending on season. That's what makes the lower lake so puzzling to alot of anglers and why they won't fish it. Temp and current.

Psalm 127:5 Happy, blessed, and fortunate is the man whose quiver is filled with them [kids]! They will not be put to shame when they speak with their adversaries [in gatherings] at the [city's] gate.

When we fished with Kyle Kosovich on the North Fork, he used a french style method. It took some getting used to for me... He used a red color piece of leader tied about 6 feet from the fly as a mark so he could tell how much leader/tippet was in the water. Made short casts upstream in heavy flow and held the stick high, actually pulling the line/fly downstream. This is what was hard for me to do. The strike was hard and there was no question about it. Since you're pulling the fly down, there's no slack so whatever the fly hits, you feel. He used very heavily weighted bead head nymphs.

Man, Wayne... I've been telling people wrong all along. I thought BS Dam was built about the same time as Beaver. My bad!!!

They don't shock for trout on the lower end though. They go down as far as Short Creek for trout. Water gets too deep to get much below there.

Well two thoughts immediately come to mind. The sampling came from the lower end. Aren't there less trout in the lower end? Isn't the water a little warmer also? Yes it's warmer. That's why Taney is one of the best of both worlds... cold and warm water. Those numbers do look good but, I would like to see what the numbers of native fish are per acre. And how those numbers compare to other lakes? Other lakes of similar size? Those numbers just look to me to be a little funny. Numbers like that would look to rival some of the best bass lakes. I don't know just thinking out loud. I would tend to think that actually very few samples were found, as compared to lakes of similar size, but that few that were found, were of nice size. And then that makes me wonder what the age of the samples were? Were they young, large fish, meaning a fast growth rate? Or older fish with a slow growth rate? Are the growth rates the same as other lakes? Exactly. If you look back, people have mentioned for years Taney is a well kept secret. One if not the best for trophy bass. The flood of 08 did some damage but they will come back strong. I've seen bass in some of the creeks here, schools of them between 5 and 12 pounds. You heard me... 12 pounds. Pigs! I couldn't believe me eyes. This was probably 12 years ago though and haven't seen it since. They were in pre spawn and staging in fallen trees close to gravel banks. And no, they wouldn't even look at what I threw. Taney has always been known for it's big blue gill, always. I'll try to get the full report. Like I said, I didn't know they shocked on the lower end till now. I won't disagree that as written those numbers look good. Hell they look amazing but, there are also a whole host of questions to go with them to get the real picture as to the health of that lake. How many trout are there per acre of water? Per acre on the upper end? I have trout studies posted for the last 20 years here on the site. Not per acre though. MDC pretty much puts all their reports in the same format, fish collected per hour. BTW - don't Brown trout love to eat Rainbows? Oh yes. So do big bass.