Phil Lilley

Half way thru reading this, I thought, "This is missing something . . . where's the politics?" Then, there it was! I've been so super swamped lately that I haven't been reading much of the forum. Have a nephew getting married tomorrow and lots of family coming to town including all my kids - yea! I wish I had time to address some of this stuff. Right off the top of my head- animal cruelty is viewed differently in every culture. You won't see PETA go over seas and preach cruelty in countries who don't have enough to eat and are dying of starvation saying "don't eat your dogs!" It's easy to sit and judge when you aren't in the same cultural circumstances. BUT, I couldn't watch that video. There's stuff like that going on around here with animals not being taken care of. It's wrong. It's sickening. As for the Bible says about eating animals including fish, there are books out basically backing up the Word's assertion on healthy and unhealthy meats to eat based on science and Biblical writings and they pretty much agree. God had a two fold purposed when he said don't eat pork. It's unclean cause "I" said so and cause it's bad for you. Sin - is separation from a man and God. It's not necessarily an act. But if you're guilty of one thing, one act, one definitive "sin", you are guilty of the whole law. If you speed, you're a law breaker and guilty until a price is paid and you're exonerated. Even by you're own set of morals, you break one, once, and then you forgive yourself? You pay a price? By who's authority are you forgiven? Take God out of the picture and it's a guessing game. How's right and wrong? Put God in the picture and play by who's rules? Partly ours and partly Gods. Take the ones we like from God's - the prosperity, blessings and healing and leave the stuff we don't like or understand. Christians, pretend-Christians and non-Christians do it all the time. We all do it, even those of us in leadership - knowingly and unknowingly. I can't tell anyone how to live his life. Paul lived his life and said, look - follow me as I follow Christ. Knowing what I know about Jesus, that is an earth-shattering statement, one that buckles my knees. I will not argue theories and religions here or face-to-face. I will not defend God because He needs no defending. He is God. But what I will strive to do is love and help my friends and people around me, I'll love and cherish my family, friends and others that are around me and love the Lord God with all my heart, soul and mind and with all my strength. I got to go clean rooms...

Thanks guys. It should be a great event again this year. We all were so amazed how much this event helped those guys last August. Just taking them fishing, being out on the water was the best medicine. Still have room for more anglers. Let me know.

2nd Annual Guns & Hoses Trout Fishing Tournament Benefits go to the Branson Fire & Police Auxiliary Fund Despite this summer’s heat, anglers are gearing up for the second annual Guns & Hoses Fishing Tournament on Lake Taneycomo next Saturday, Aug. 21. “Sixteen teams have already signed up,” Kory Klein, organizer, said of the two-man contest to support the Branson Fire and Police Auxiliary. “That’s pretty amazing since 18 teams competed last year and most signed up the day of the tournament.” The $75 entry fee per boat goes to support benevolence needs, not just for area police and firemen, but for others as well, Klein said. As examples, some area residents were helped with electric costs last winter, and the auxiliary aided an injured fireman with some bills and a policeman with a heater for his family’s home. Registration is open right up until 7:45 a.m. before the 8 a.m. start at Lilleys’ Landing Resort & Marina, at 367 River Lane off Fall Creek Rd. in Branson. The marina is offering half off all boat rentals for tournament participants, but those need to be reserved ahead of time by calling (417) 334-6380. Entry forms can be filled out and dropped off at Branson Fire Station 1 or mailed to Branson Fire and Rescue, attention Kory Klein, 110 Crosby St. Branson, MO 65616. Forms can also be requested through email at megan@lilleyslanding.com. All teams will receive a free raffle ticket for drawings, but those registering before the day of the tournament will receive an extra ticket. Additional raffle tickets are $5. Trophies will be awarded for first through third places and for the biggest fish. After the weigh-in at 2 p.m. at Lilleys’ Landing, Famous Dave’s will cater a free lunch for all participants outside on the resort grounds. Besides many local and out of town anglers, some firefighters have entered the tournament. Unfortunately other scheduled events for that Saturday will keep most police officers on the job rather than out enjoying the lake, Klein said. Still, he hopes a good turnout will encourage the officers. “We hope this will bring the community closer together with its police and firefighters,” Klein said, “ to see us in an informal setting and just have fun.” Klein can be reached at (417) 231-5343 for more information.

Words of the Day . . . Well more like words of the week for us. Our plans are changing each day it seems the last week. Bill has packed 6 containers full of fishing and camping gear. Our plan is to mail up 4 and take the other 2 on the plane with us. We trade emails about ten times a day--I'll share the last one from Bill on shipping vs check-ons: Here is an even better way to do it. Send up both of the Cabelas bags, the Rubbermaid Packer and the lighest of the Plano totes. Also weigh the heavest two if you can so we will know their exact weight each, not to exceed 50 pounds. Here is my reasoning. The 3rd. bag for one of us on our flight to Anchorage will be $50. It would then cost for that bag another $20 to get it on to Kotz. Total for the tote would be $70 and we would have to "Tote It." I am guessing it will be under that figure to send it or right around there and we wont have to mess with it. That will take us down to our carry-on's and two checkins each. Check-on luggage cost would then drop to a total of $122.00. It's tricky but Bill is great at figuring the best and cheapest way to get this stuff up there and back. I've been trying to find the best video camera to take up and for my usage down here and I think I've settled on a new Canon camera but it won't be out till September. So we're taking what we have - a GoPro, a Flip and my MiniDV video camera as well as buying a new Optio 90 for stills. There's a new panoramic camera out I'm going to look at too. Brian Wise has inspired me to learn how and shoot a bunch on my GoPro. I've order extra batteries. More to follow. . . we're still not sure where we're going our second week. King Salmon or Kodiak. We'll make our decision today.

<p><img src="http://forums.ozarkanglers.com/images/2010/8-7b_530.jpg" width="530" height="250"><br>After a searing week, the heat streak has broken, and we're seeing temperatures in the lower 90's with a nice breeze, too. Yes, that's actually cool, cooler than the triple digits we and most of the Midwest were enduring. But you know . . . trout fishing hasn't been all that bad, even through the hot weather. The water has been running almost every day, most of the time in the afternoons but lately in the mornings, too, which has kept the lake water nice and cool for our trout. Water temps have risen from the low 40's to 46 degrees right now -- still too cold for those tempted to jump in. Generation has been high in the afternoons, running up to four units. Lilleys Landing guests have still been out catching trout, but the best time has been early in the morning before the fog burns off.</p> <p>This fishing report could be a copy-and-paste of my last report. It's amazing how many nice rainbows keep coming out of the area between Fall Creek and Short Creek. Most of the fishing guides have gravitated to the same pattern: Head up to the trophy area and fish a jig-and-float for two hours to catch nice trophy rainbows, then head down out of the trophy area and fish night crawlers for rainbows the clients want to keep.</p> <p><img src="http://forums.ozarkanglers.com/images/2010/8-7a_250.jpg" width="250" height="167" hspace="5" vspace="5" align="right">I had a trip Thursday and again this morning, but we stayed below Fall Creek the entire time and fished night crawlers. On Thursday, we drifted crawlers on four-pound line with small bell weights (1/4-ounce) since two units were running. We used a small #8 bronze hook and shot a little air in the worm to make it float. We tried to stay in the middle of the lake and caught a couple of dozen rainbows. This morning they ran one unit for just a little bit. We started at 6 a.m., anchoring below Fall Creek about 800 yards in the middle of the lake. The trout bit well until the water started moving about 7:30 a.m.. We pulled the anchors and started floating. I thought the fishing would improve, but it actually slowed unusually. We made one slow drift down to Short Creek, then headed back up. As we started another drift, the water slowed. We dropped anchor, and after the current slowed to a crawl, we started catching fish again. The two boys ended up catching 25 rainbows, the biggest was 17 inches.</p> <p>Night crawlers are by far the best bait right now. Inject them with air and float them off the bottom about 12 to 18 inches.</p> <p>Above Fall Creek, a straight jig or jig and float is best. If you're using a jig and float, use two-pound line. If you're throwing a jig--1/8th-ounce to 1/16-ounce--you can get away with four-pound, but two-pound is still better. Since our water is clear, our trout are growing particular.</p> <p>For fly fishermen, the trout are starting to look up! Dry flies like beetles, hoppers, ants and midges are hot flies right now. When the water is down and when it's running just a bit, the spots along the bank's edge and under overhanging trees are best. Scuds are still the go-to fly on Taneycomo. When the water is off, you may have to drop to 7x tippet and #18 or #20 scuds, but when the water is running you can get away with 6x or even 5x tippet and #10- to #14-size scuds. Use them in gray, olive, tan or brown.</p> <p>Night fishing is great. Wade below the dam or get out in a boat. Both have been very good lately. The boat thing is tricky due to the lake fog every night, but when the moon gets brighter, you can make your way around fairly well. Dark 1/8th or 3/32nd-ounce jigs work best. Throw them straight and work them off the bottom, fishing from the dam to Fall Creek and even further down. When we fly fish, it's mainly in the shallow water below the dam so sink tips are not necessary. Weighted or unweighted dark wooly buggers, leeches, muddlers, streamers, PMS, pine squirrels, and hibernators are working great.</p>

There are 2 resorts on Lake Shore Drive for sale. Lake Shore Resort and the old Del Mar Resort. If you're interested, PM me and I'll put you in touch with someone who has it listed.

Nope... beginners luck? I listen to the news, watch the thread news on Market Watch. Seems like there's been trends where the stock will drop early in the am and then rise the rest of the day. We've bought stocks that really take a dive = 12-18% and then bounce back 3-5%. We're not looking for big gains... just enough to make alittle and cover our trade fees.

Report: Me and a friend opened an account at Scott Trade on July 1. We deposited $4000 initially- added another $2000 a couple of weeks later. As of today, our account is up to $6600. We've traded Ford, BP, San Disk, Harley Davidson, Halliburton, HSW International, Inc. and Compass Minerals International, Inc.. We're still sitting on Ford. I understand we've traded in primarily a bullish market so far... for the most part it's gone up. Our buy/sell trades are mainly same day making 2-3% on each trade. We had to learn about settling... we broke the rule the first time and got a warning.

It's becoming an annual event. Last year, we had a nice weekend of fishing and fellowship. It proved to be a healing process for many of the veterans who attended. We have a handful of fishing guides who are donating their time and talents but we need more anglers who would be willing to take a vet fishing Saturday, Sunday or both days. You don't need a boat - we have plenty. Unfortunately, we have no rooms left for the event here at the resort, if you're coming from out of town. We will feed you - breakfast, lunch and dinner. And you will have a good, warm feeling when you leave. So who wants to help? Post questions. PM answers.

We were talking . . . we'd like to bring some sockeye home with us but the problem is that sockeye will be spawning and dying when we're there in September, at least at Naknek, so what do we do? I emailed Jim, my friend who owns Naknek River Camp on the Naknek River, where my cabin is, and he said he could call Heidi at Diamond Lodge and buy some from her. She would store it till we get there. 150 pounds would do us - 50 pounds each. So we're set. BUT - I threw a wrench in the mix. I said we should THINK about flying over to Kodiak Island instead of to the cabin at King Salmon and fish for silvers which run in September. This would add expense to the trip but we could explore the island and camp. So Bill's researching. Here at the Landing, we started carrying a new wader line called Hendrix. I sent my Orvis waders in for repair or replacement cause they're leaking AGAIN. I've had bad luck with the guide waders from Orvis but at least they stand behind their product. If you're floating a remote river in Alaska, you better take an extra pair of waders. I now have one. I'm not buying a new pair of wading boots. The pair I have, Orvis, are about 4 years old and have seen alot of use. The felt soles have been glued back on a couple of times. I ripped one off the other day and glued a new one on. It's taken several sessions but I think it's on good. I'll have to test it before leaving. Boots are another item you don't want to be without in the bush. We have a 800 pound limit on the bush plane flying from Kotzebue to the river. That's including camping and cooking gear, fishing gear, clothes and food. 400 of that will be US. We'll have to weigh everything closely, before we leave as well as after we pick up our food in Anchorage. We'll use water purifier kits and drink water from the river. I was thinking . . . haven't asked Bill yet but I assume we're cooking using butane. September can be a rainy time in AK and there's not a whole lot of trees where we're going so depending on dry wood for a cooking fire wouldn't be wise. That adds to our weight. Sat Phone - we're weighing that option. Found a place to rent a phone for $59 per week but I'm not sure we'll need one. A GPS - yes. If this river was alittle wilder, I would say yes to the sat phone but it's very tame. Shouldn't have any problems floating. Bears - another thing. But there's aren't as many bears as, say, where we go in southwest Alaska. So we'll decide shortly. Bill's been trying out jackets - fleece water proof, windproof. He's ordered and received 2 so far. He likes one. He brought it over and showed me- it was nice. It's a riding jacket - motorcycle riding. Reinforced elbows and shoulders. Has a hood. It's nice, especially for the price - $89. I'm still looking. I have a nice windproof Orvis fleece - I think that will do me. It was misplaced till this week. Cameras - I have my Optio. It's still a great camera. Waterproof. Been through a lot. I have a video mini DV that's 3 years old but I'd like to get a HD. I have some leads. I want to document this trip as best as I can.

I'll take pics tomorrow and post them.

It's a local publication. I saw it yesterday on the front page - a kayak that looks exactly like it.

Anyone have any advice on how to remove minor scratches from sunglasses? These are prescription sunglasses. Thanks

Is this the kayak featured in this month's Both sides of the Bridge publication?

When we started trading about July 1, we bought Ford and rode it alittle. Sure wish we would have stayed with it. It was at $9 and now it's approaching $13. Ford has really done well in this economy. They should be commended. Hopefully we'll sell at 13.65 and make 3%.

Up to $38. We've bought and sold BP several times and made 2-5% each time. We have a few shares right now- will sell at 39.15 - may be today.

Man, I hope the spammers are catching on . . . using real names to get thru me. One nice thing is that I can ban them - they can't re register using the same ip. That slows them down.

Bill and I are flying out of Branson, mid afternoon on August 29th and flying to Anchorage, AK. We'll arrive there at that evening - there's a 3 hour difference in their time and central time. Bill booked a book at the Microtel Airport Inn for $167. Our flights costs $1591.82 round trip. We get up the next morning and go shopping. We'll need to buy staple items such as meats for 2-3 dinners as well as other items we don't want to take up on the plane. There will be other items that we'll share later when we have our list. We leave for Kotzebue mid afternoon. It's a 4 hour flight with one stop. We are using Jim Kincaid, an outfitter and pilot in Kotzebeu. We will fly from there to the Kelly River. It will be a 30 mile float and we'll fish for ocean run Andromous char and grayling. These char average over 15 pounds and will grow to over 25 pounds. Grayling are good sized too. We're taking one shot gun for ptarmigan and bear protection, as well as bear spray. We are getting our gear together and ordering supplies and clothing we need, but we have most of everything. Bill has great camping gear including bags and tents. We've scouted out dried foods. Everything is coming together. We've considered, or really are still considering renting a Sat Phone but we're not sure we need to go to that expense. The river is class I so no danger there. Not many bears. But it is remote - not many other people or planes flying over. I'll let Bill add to this entry. It's his idea to start this blog, hoping to help those who may consider taking a trip like this in the future.

Would you ever use our 4 lb line - 1/8th oz jigs - trout rigs on these bass? Seems like they'd be more sensitive than big bass rods.

Oh yea... if you decide to go fishing in a boat at night, there's lots of shallow water in upper LT and there's also could be anglers wading so go slow. Well . . . darkness, fog . . . I guess you'll be going slow anyhow. Nevermind.

Generation patterns are still fairly consistent here on Lake Taneycomo. The U.S. Corps of Army Engineers has been shutting the water off about 10 p.m. and leaving it off all morning the next day until early to mid afternoon. Then officials are running quite a bit of water, up to four units, until it is shut down again at 10 p.m. Fishing after the water comes on has been difficult, so your best time to catch trout is definitely in the mornings. Our lake water is very clear this time of year, and our trout have become somewhat finicky, so we’re having to drop to two-pound line, such as when fly fishing and jig and float fishing. When using bait and lures we’re still using three-pound line. But even if you are fishing bait, this is something to consider if you’re not being as successful as you’d like to be. Consider dropping to two-pound line and see if you get more bites. Injected night crawlers have been catching the best trout lately, much better than Power Bait. Injecting air in the night crawler makes them float off the bottom, allowing the trout to see your bait much faster and thus drawing more strikes overall. We use what is called a blow bottle, available at most bait shops. The best areas are around Short Creek down to Cooper Creek and then down by Monkey Island. If you like using Power Bait, Gulp eggs using one pink and one white egg on a #8 hook has been best. Our guides have been catching some really nice rainbows and a few browns up in the trophy area – above Fall Creek – this past week on several lures. Of course, you can only use flies and lures between Fall Creek and Table Rock Dam, and you have to release all rainbows between 12 and 20 inches in length. Also, the water at and above Fall Creek, when the water is off (no generation) is shallow. If you don’t know the channel, you can hit bottom very easily, and very often. Jig and float technique using two-pound line, a float and a small micro jig or a small marabou jigs has been very productive until the water comes on after noon. We’re setting the jig four to five- feet deep and fishing the channel dropoff or main channel. The best jig colors have been tan, olive, sculpin, black, brown and white. Special colors are brown with an orange head, sculpin/orange with an orange head and ginger with a brown head, 1/125th-ounce marabou jigs. Also throwing a jig using no float, or straight line using a 3/32nd to 1/16th-ounce jig, working it, but you can get away with four-pound, especially if the water is running. If it is running, go to an 1/8th-ounce jig. Colors are sculpin, brown, white, ginger, olive, olive-black and purple. Fly fishing from a boat you can use a jig and float with the same rig that I mentioned in the previous paragraph. I was out the other day when the wind was really blowing, which is a little strange for July. I tied on a chili pepper, an oversized crackleback basically, and stripped in up on the flats above the Narrows, probably in no more than a foot of water. The rainbows really liked it. I bet a wooly or a soft hackle would have drawn the same attention. They like moving targets when the surface of the water is choppy. They’ve also liked a scud fished on the bottom in the gravel—a #12 or #14 gray scud. They’ve also been taking a tan or olive scud. If you catch them rising on midges, try offering them a #16 or #18 olive or black zebra midge under a palsa indicator about a foot deep. Also strip a soft hackle over the top of their heads when they’re rising. They can’t stand that! Night fishing . . . has been nothing short of great lately. If you’ve never done it, it’s best to hire one of our guides to show you the ropes. It’s truly a different experience. I did venture out the other night in my boat to fish with a friend who happens to write for a Kansas City news publication. It was only the second time I’d ever tried this—getting out at night in a boat in the fog. I’ve night fished many times from my boat but always in the spring or fall when there’s no fog. Fog just isn’t fun to maneuver in and it’s, well, wet and cold. But our results cause me to wonder whether I should put up with the wet and cold more often! We caught trout often. And nice ones. We put in at the dam and drifted down to Fall Creek, then fished at Short Creek before heading back to the resort. We fished black 1/8th-ounce jigs exclusively, but I believe they would have hit other colors, too. There wasn’t any guessing when you got a bite—they really hammered the jig. Gauging how far we were from the bank and trees was the only difficulty we had, but we mastered that pretty well.

http://www.kansascity.com/2010/07/24/2104681/trout-fisherman-catches-big-rainbows.html

There are a couple of places to stay close to the dam. Couple of cabins behind River Run owned by Danna. I think you can rent them at River Run's shop. Also a couple of places on the south side of the dam. Then there's Fall Creek at 165 and Fall Creek Rd. Water off in the am's. Good fishing. Kids can splash in the water all they want . . . does NOT bother the fish. They're used to the foot traffic. And it's not that cold, esp for kids. Come fish off our dock- it's been alittle slow down here though - although I heard the stocking boat was out today.

I'm not sure if I should report this trip or not . . . but it'll come out in the KC Star this weekend I think. Fished with Brent Frazee last night. He wanted to catch a brown fishing at night. I told him he was a little early but we'd try. I wanted to try something I hadn't done but once before - night fishing from a boat in the summer in the fog. We got to the ramp about 10:20 pm last night. I had not called to see what the water was doing cause I was going regardless. I was surprised to see it running though. I called- 2 units at 704 ft. Put in and pushed off= called again is it was 1 unit so I knew it was shutting down. Dropped the trolling motor- batteries dead. Mental note: check the batteries after the son-in-law borrows the boat. We started- Brent throwing a F-7 black/silver rapala and I was throwing a dark 1/8th oz jig. Fog wasn't too bad- I could see the tree tops. The moon was half so we had plenty of light. No action till we got almost down to Lookout Island. Brent caught a couple of rainbows and so did I. Below the island it got good. I was hooking more trout on the jig so I handed him a rod with a black jig and he started catching rainbows too. It was great - lake was dropping out and we had plenty of current to move us downstream. Fish were nailing our jigs. But we needed a picture fish. It didn't take long. I hooked one and said it was a nice one. Brent got the camera and started shooting. It was a pretty 18 inch rainbow. After a few pics, it swam away. Further down, almost to the Narrows, I hooked another heavy rainbow. This time I didn't lift it out of the water- Brent was to take pictures of the fish splashing on the surface. So I held the line and tried to get it to thrash- line broke, no good pics. It was pushing 20 inches. We boated back up a ways and drifted that area again and caught more rainbows but no big ones. Was getting late so I boated down to Short Creek to try for a brown in the deeper water. Only small stockers there- pecking at the jigs. I had given up and was ready to head in. We were just talking, fishing what I'd call the flats below the mouth of the creek when I hooked a very heavy fish. I was very, very aggressive, pulling hard. I worked it in and Brent started flashing away. We got good pics of this rainbow - I measured it over 22 inches. How did this rainbows survive the most fished area on the lake? He had to of passed on tons and tons of power bait in his lifetime. Great night - should be a good article. Can't wait to see the pics!

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