Mark

Thanks, I really want to give it a try this summer.

Guessing this is a question for those that know the river well..... I'm wondering if anyone knows of any accesses where there is enough water (at normal summer levels in June and July) to put in my canoe with my 2.5 HP motor, and be able to get upstream and downstream for a decent stretch of fishing. The Buffalo River is on my bucket list but I can't seem to get any friends interested since it is a 5 hr plus drive, so going solo may be my best option. I would consider a one or two night solo float trip, anything longer than that turns in to more work that I want. Since it is a pretty good drive, I would want to spend a few days just checking the river out. I realize that motors are not allowed upstream from Erbie. So besides a couple day float trip, I would like to find an access where I could set up base camp, and have a good stretch upstream and/or downstream with enough water to use my canoe with motor to do some fishing. I don't have a problem with pulling it thru a few ripples or low spots. I would love to find a place where I could get in some fishing without going on an all day float, and having to find someone to shuttle my vehicle or canoe, or have to be on someone else's time schedule. I am thinking if I found a good spot for base camp with some good water, I could fish early mornings, sight see afternoons, and fish again in the evening. I have never been to the Buffalo, so I'm hoping to get some advice rather that trial and error for a week looking for my ideal spot. I have no idea what water levels are like on the Buffalo or if my idea is even doable. And I realize water levels fluctuate, and I would be going in June or July (I'm a school teacher), and I would have to be downstream from Erbie, so let's assume it is a normal summer with normal rainfall amounts. I would be grateful for a couple suggestions on places to start. Thanks in advance. I have a feeling if I go scout it out first and come home with good reports, I will me more apt to get my buddies interested in going.

Good report - looking forward to a trip down there over Christmas - hope the weather cooperates

Good report Al. Glad to hear Jeff was "wrasslin" some smallmouth!

A group of 4-5 guys are considering a first time trip to the North Fork of the White - we've talked about it many times. I have researched a few places to stay - ROLF, Sunburst Ranch, Daxt Mill cabin. We would like a place on the water, somewhere to wade fish, room for everyone to have a bed or couch, BBQ, have some cocktails, hot showers, and relax, with nice accommodations but not necessarily Five Star. Anyone familiar with the area have any preference on a place to stay? Some of the place at ROLF look awesome, but maybe a little pricey for us. Things like fireplace and hot tub are nice, but we could manage without. On the other hand, $10 or so per person per night is not a big deal either if the place and fishing is worth it. Really like the looks of some of the ROLF cabins on the water. And like the idea of private access to fishing at some of the spots. We're looking at 2 nights perhaps Mon/Tues Dec. 29-30. Hoping to hear from some people who have stayed at a few of the places to compare price, fishing, and accommodations. Thanks in advance, Mark

Oh I certainly agree with the pristine conditions. Just wondered why someone hasn't tried some development downstream from Riverton. Guess I didn't realize that easements existed on private land. I have seen a couple spots below Hwy 142 where it looks like someone made a campground on their private lot.

Brian, maybe you can answer this question as someone with first hand knowledge of the how the local population feels... Does the local population not want any more commercialization of the river? I have often thought that a RV park or rental cabins right on the river (of course, outside of the ONSR protected areas) would be a good investment. I am thinking of areas of private land below Riverton down to the Arkansas border. It just seems like someone would have thought of buying some riverfront property and try to make some money off of it with tourism. I know I have talked to people who are adamantly opposed to anything like the Current River at Van Buren commercialization, but I don't know if there is anything preventing someone from making an investment and trying to turn a profit on privately owned riverfront property. Just curious.

You're out of luck on the Eleven Point. Only RV campground is at Greer Crossing on Hwy 19 and no electric and the water is shut off for the winter. I don't understand why there isn't any full service RV campgrounds on the Eleven Point. I have heard locals say they don't want the Eleven Point to turn into another Current River party place like Van Buren. I guess I can understand that line of thought. Although I consider the RV types to be an older crowd and less likely to be having wild parties.

That reminds me of something I heard or read... I've heard or read that fish have about a 20 minute memory. Meaning, if you catch a fish in one spot and disturb the water, fish may be scared for a while, but return to normal patterns after about 20 minutes. Fact or folklore?

I was under the impression that Asian carp needed slug and silt on the bottom to feed, and would not do well in the gravel bottoms of most Ozark streams. Maybe the lower Current in Arkansas is not gravel, I don't know. Regardless, not a good thing at all.

And thus, we will continue down the same road.

We, as a nation, have to lead the fight to clean up our environment and atmosphere. Admittedly, it is an uphill fight when we are divided in our nation on the effects man is having on our environment as some doubt we are having any negative effects, and we continually put profits over the environment. Maybe boycott products produce in other countries that don't comply with environmental standards. I can see your point of view - individually, each person isn't even a drop in the bucket. I'm sure Ameren UE does more damage to our environment in a day than each of us individually do in a lifetime. But our principles should guide us on the environment. Again, our ancestors and decendants will be ashamed of us for what we have done to our planet is the past 150 years.

I don't believe that throwing our hands up in the air because there is nothing we can do about it is the answer.

Thanks Al for trying to answer more eloquently than I can. It's hard to believe that most argue about money spent on grants and research, with all the other money wasted by our government, that is their biggest complaint. You're right, you can't argue with someone who has their minds made up. I have to always ask, though, what if we do find in the future undeniable evidence that we are doing irreversible damage to our environment and atmosphere - is it worth the risk to do nothing now???

Yep - new report out which show record level of CO2 emissions in 2013 - 2% increase over previous year - 61% increase since 1990 - with a steady increase every year since the Industrial Revolution and the advent of factories and oil using machinery. Yet to deniers of man contributing to climate change and with all we know about the greenhouse effect, 2 + 2 doesn't = 4

Yeah Al, I thought of that too, that some streams would be deemed not navigable. My thoughts are that it would seem like that with all the controversy, confrontations, and incidents with police getting involved in the "rights of the public vs. landowners" that somehow the grey area of the law would have been cleared up by now. Like I said, this controversy has been going on all of our lives. And yes, I worry that we, the public, might not like the outcome.

This debate of what is navigatable waters and what is not navigatable waters, and public usage rights, and high water mark, has been going on for my entire lifetime of 56 years. After someone getting killed on the Meramac, you would think that someone would make the legislature get the specifics of the law regarding the public's rights written into law. Granted, this incident happened in Arkansas, but as far as I know, nothing has changed in Missouri get specific written documentation on what is considered navigatable or not navigatable rivers and streams. The issue doesn't appear to be that complex, other than typical politicians wanting to please both sides on the issue.

Sarcasm folks. Illustrating the ridiculousness of assault weapons for sportsman purposes.

I use my Bushmaster XM 15-C4 Patrolman Semiautomatic Rifle for squirrel hunting. Turned it into an automatic with a kit from a gun show to increase my odds.

I find this debate so sad. By the time everyone agrees that we are destroying our planet, it will be too late. We will forever be remembered for the destruction we did to earth. That will be our legacy. Peace out!!

Please explain to a novice what exactly is a streamer?

Or a pandemic. Or a global war. Both more likely than an asteroid or aliens.

One thing we can all agree on is that air and water pollution are bad. And a world wide issue. Forget the talk of climate change or arguing over what data will or will not support. We all must do all we can to eliminate our carbon footprint on the planet. Think of the environmental impact we have made on this planet with 8 billion people today. Then, double that number in 40 years, and consider what impact India and China will have on the environment when there are 16 billion people on the planet. Regardless how you look at it, our planet is in trouble if we don't change our ways.

I agree with Al. Politicians are responsible for dividing our country into two opposing segments, and thus making us less patriotic and less united. Anytime I hear politician of either party visciously attacking the other party, it turns my stomach. Our country is based on respecting everyone's point of view. Politicians show less respect than anyone. I truly believe that all of us agree on 95% of political issues. Politicians use the other 5% to divide us.

Al does a lot of things other people don't do! Multiple day solo floats are a lot of work. After a long day of floating, setting up camp, gathering firewood, and cooking dinner makes for a long day. Depends on the person. I prefer some company no matter what I am doing. Safety wise, you have to be much more careful floating by yourself. Things happen. Agree that it is important to let someone know where you are going and when you expect to finish. Much more important in the offseason.