Mark

Seems like the December floods changed rivers in many places. Any areas of concern on the JF for floating?

A buddy and myself are planning a multi day trip from Eminence to Van Buren in June. We plan on really taking our time, maybe 2 days of short floats, set up camp for a couple nights, and so on, possibly staying for a week or even more. Very excited to see some new river sections. My question: we have a couple buddies with jet boats who may be interested in joining us for a couple days throughout the trip. Are the accesses in between Eminence and Van Buren suitable for launching jet boats. I've been to Powder Mill and think I remember it being a good boat ramp. How about Roberts Field, Log Yard, and Waymeyer? Easy for jet boats to get in and out of? Good safe parking for vehicles? And accesses you wouldn't recommend, such as primarily canoe accesses, or wouldn't trust leaving a vehicle there? More concerned with them having no problem with ramps, pulling in and out of, than leaving a vehicle as we have never had our vehicles messed with on the river. And since me and my buddy are really taking our time, and "must see" sights to explore on our down days when we are at a base camp for a full day? And as we will be loaded to the max, any obstacles in that section to be aware of and will it be easy to avoid any tricky spots by walking canoe around? I'm thinking that section will be a relatively easy float. Thanks in advance, Mark

Fishing very slow - needs a good stocking. 6 guys caught total of 4 fish in two days.

Guessing a good stocking is due shortly if it doesn't flood.

Where and when is the best place in MO for a newbie to go, hire a guide, and have a decent chance of catching walleye? Coming from near St. Louis, I am thinking Norfolk instead of lakes in SW MO simply because it is closer.

Brian, do you know about when the stocking will begin in the spring? I made a trip over Christmas, and friends made a trip recently and the fishing was slow for both.

Before I die... 1) Go watch the Masters 2) Drive Pacific Coast Hwy 3) Go to Cooperstown 4) Go deep sea fishing 5) Do a fly in, fly out Canadian fishing trip 6) Play Peeble Beach 7) Go on Alaska fishing trip 8) See John Prine live show 9) Buy travel trailer, spend a summer in Rockies and a winter in Corpus Christi 10) Go to Stadelhofen, Baden, Germany to find my German relatives

We are at an all time low with presidential candidates and politicians in general. Debates are a joke. One minute to answer questions on complicated issues result in same ol' canned campaign party rhetoric and nothing of substance - just say what people want to hear and speak in general terms only - it's theater with bad actors. Really doesn't matter - Congress runs the country and lobbyists and big money runs Congress. God help us!!

Surprise at some criticism. It's a movie!! After of couple years of Hobbitt and Star Wars movies, it was a great movie compared to the crap coming out nowadays. Was "Titanic" the actual events??? I'll take a good old western anytime, fiction or fact or loosely based on actual events.

If only they had married 13 year old girls for their 8th wife, they would all probably be safe from the law.

I guess this is about as good of ending as we could have hoped. Sorry one man had to lose his life. I found it ironic that none of the men arrested were from Oregon. I did keep an open mind on the situation until I learned the facts. These men did not have a leg to stand on - they were wrong from the get go.

Maybe heap too much peyote and firewater???

Turd was revived by Chief Grey Bear. Mitch was last post on April 11, 2011. Chief revived it Jan 23, 2016.

Opening scene was cool. With the arrows zinging by, it reminded me of the opening scene of Saving Private Ryan on the Normandy beach, when the bullets were zinging by. Many did not live thru the winters, but some did. I think that was the point. Surprised it has taken some criticism on here. It's been a couple years since there was a good movie I wanted to see at the theater.

What a thread!!! I did a quick read of all 13 pages. It took me from a high to a low and back again many times. Sort of lost some respect for some of yuns!! I have to agree, this is Phil's operation and if he wants to delete something or ban someone, then it's his right. If you don't like it, do start your own forum and call it whatever you want.

What struck me most about the movie is the depiction of everyday life in the times - not knowing exactly where you're were going, constant hunger, danger, and fear. Yeah, just a movie, not a documentary, so read the whole story if wanting a factual account. I often think about what life must have been like back then, 100, 200, 300 years ago, especially around home here in Ste. Genevieve County. Surely you all have thought the same thing out in a canoe or in the woods. Hobby of mine is reading local and Missouri history, tying in to researching into family genealogy. My 5X Great Grandpa Derouuse was among the original French settlers in Kaskaskia, Illinois, arriving by around 1720. I found out in the past 10 years that he married a half blood princess daughter of an Illini chief. Pretty cool. I always knew I had Indian blood!! My mind does wonder sometimes with what it must have been like in settlers times. That's what I got out of the Revenant - it drew me in with the characters' life struggles in the time period, plus the scenery and surround sound on the big screen. Good movie - you guys won't be disappointed.

Sure it wasn't exact depiction of the story, not all true, but won't ruin it for others. Most "based on actual events" movies take liberties. While on the dark side, I thought the depiction of how life must have been for early mountain men and explorers in the west was realistic and portrayed well. I wouldn't have made it long as a mountain man. Agree Tom Hardy character was awesome. Still think it is a great movie and holds your interest. BTW Jim Bridger ended up in Missouri and was buried in Kansas City area.

Attention Outdoorsmen!! Best movie I have seen in a long time!! See it in the theater, awesome scenery, best western adventure movie since Dances With Wolves.

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I started this post because I was intrigued by the situation, but really didn't understand what it was all about. I feel like I have a better understanding now, thanks to all of your comments and explanations. I see that these people are in the wrong. I do hope law enforcements uses restraint and patience in bringing the standoff to a peaceful conclusion. None of them deserve to die in a shootout. I don't know exactly how many people are holed up in the reserve building, but doubt if they are all fanatical nuts. Maybe just a little misguided. Still, there is something about people in the NW US that have a much different political view than other parts of the US. Many seem to be extremely liberal and extremely conservative, with a dose of extreme indivdualism, and a pinch of fanaticalism, all at the same time. So many different political views. There is always some political hot spots in that area of the country. Right or wrong, at least we live in a country where people can do these things without being massacred or locked up for life because of their political views. I would expect the leaders will serve a year or two in fed pen, and rest will get a slap on the wrist. And I'm not opposed to that if the situations is resolved peacefully. Good discussion guys. Forum was getting boring.

I just happened to notice on my personal page the "Community reputation". Mine was "11" and "Good", but it sucks compared to others. How is that score determined? Did I do something to only have an 11? Just curious - feels like I have a low credit rating or something.

See, there you have it. Do I believe fishinwrench and FBI agents were involved in deceptive practices? Or believe SpoonDog and it was all a hoax? You never know what to believe on the internet.

I don't think the government is out to get me, or take my guns away (if I actually owned any) or people like the Bundy bunch have my best interests in mind, but have seen enough underhanded stuff in my lifetime from FBI and CIA to know I wouldn't put anything past them, illegal or unethical. The end doesn't always justify the means, IMO. No one has been hurt or died, and no one is being held against their will as far as we know. If an agency representing our federal government has indeed used undercover methods to incite others against the protesters, they are acting beyond the scope of law enforcement. If our federal government is in the right with regard to policies and procedures that this so far peaceful protest revolves around, then let's let the card play out. No need to stack the deck.

Sounds about right, fishinwrench, feds planting undercover agents to harass locals to stir up more animosity against the ranchers. This type of underhandedness only reinforces people's suspicions of our fed govt. I don't blindly trust our federal government. Why was some covert operation necessary if the feds are in the right to begin with? While nothing about the operation is illegal, I presume, it certainly paints a negative picture of the law enforcement handling the situation. Not hard to wonder why so many people in that part of the country are leery of the feds anyway.

So are law enforcement agencies going to wait them out and then arrest them?