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And has a fishing museum next door. How did I not know about this place? Thought Browning still owned Lew's stuff. They do have a "store" on the big auction site. Next time I'm over east I'll be sure to stop by there, thanks for the thread.

Yes, I think Al says it clearest. Greatest impact would be on the locals. Visual and audial pollution being possibly the greatest environmental damage. Road damage might affect us all through MODOT roads, but the county and city roads/streets will absorb the biggest hit. This road subsidy will continue as long as the mine continues. Property values will also plummet in the area. In the end this will be up to the Mo.DNR as mining police. and on the local politicians to enact and maintain zoning regulations. Some group could purchase that land at a price far beyond current value, maybe, then either donate it to the state as a CA or develop it into something more horrible than a strip pit. I don't see, really, how outsiders can help much. I can see no way to blame this on either the current or past federal administration. Federal regulation (regardless of who/which party) will always allow mining if the set rules are complied with; the raw material is always needed, therefore in the best interests of "the people" , once taxation is met with. Current news is result of Mo. Court of Appeals decision that the county didn't follow state laws in the last denial of Winter's request. Again a local issue. It does wave a "wake up and be legal" flag to other county courts.

So all listed "academics" that are resigning list appointment dates from the previous Administration, it would be unlikely that their input would be sought out. It is a bit of a surprise they stayed on this long, but as unpaid cheerleaders/justifiers for leaders no longer in place it is quite possible they won't be missed. With about a billion Parks employees they should manage. The mine will no doubt be a disaster area to be fixed by Fed money sometime down the road and should be stopped. All mines every where should be stopped, we are still mining lead in Mo and selling it overseas, wreaking our environment for the profit of foreigners who sell us lead products at exorbitant prices. In protest I personally will buy no, zero, nada gravel in the upcoming year and if I can remember, no Winter Brothers products either.

OK, I believe that and the guy has filed a bill, that is his something. If it never gets out of committee, he can always say he tried. Best of luck with this. Really is too bad though that they chose to discriminate, all wakes should be treated equally, all shore line should be treated equally.

I just assumed there was a general lack of desire for law enforcement in that area. Party hearty and all that. So you believe there are enough water patrol available to enforce such a law? Could they enforce it without slacking off on other duties? Are cell phone videos considered factual evidence in a Court?

pffttt, $25 fine ain't gonna have much impact But it is a long long way from becoming law. Even when it is law the owners of big boats can prevent the petitions from passing. I'm in favor no wake no matter where and no matter how small the boat. Not just on that lake but all the lakes. How much chance of that happening?

Are these catch and release fisheries? A more sensible approach might be to reduce the limits and increase the minimum lengths.

It used to be illegal in most states. But society is more accepting now days..........

Insurance just for the tourneys or to put on lakes anytime? I know there are some water regulations and a water patrol but have seen some reckless looking operation in the past. To the point that I don't even fish the lakes for my own safety. Do you guys think mandatory training would help any?

I know nothing about these boats or the tournaments, but I wonder are the boat drivers licensed like auto drivers? Any training required?

Not me! I only want to fish where I can walk in the water. If I have to use sonar, depth charges are in order. Always nice if there are some bushes handy too.

Those deer crossings are excellent spots for road hunting, I'm told. It seems deer come from all over to cross at those places. No bait required. If I knew where to get one of those signs like that I'd put it up in my back forty. Sure sorry about blabbing about that trout place, Johnsfolly. Wife always said I talk too much.

there is a reason all fishers must be liars, we got to protect them fish, even the carp and trout; evil forces are out there.

Happned to me at RRSP, was there and caught a trout., told my neighbor about it and the next time I went there there people all over everywhere. Some from far away as Texas. From now on it's shhhss! caught nothing saw nothing wasn't even there etc and so on

Pictures looked as though only at the stern was the hull lower in the water, but the argument (in my head) for having the prop wet with a 9" prop made me think that there was some mistake/misprint. Maybe it was 13"? Then again if they can't get into the shallows, why are the other guys whining? Looking for ways to disqualify these boats?

It said that boat would run on plane in 3 inches of water, how much shallower will a jet get on plane? Or, how much shallower do you need to get? It seems from all the comments that he ran up a river where glass boats couldn't go, unfair advantage and all that, might not have won in a regular boat, blabla..So i suppose that hull has some purpose. They did mention that jets were not allowed. So, how much does a guy win in a tourney like that? Are the boat expenses worth it?

Sure, they determined the style by carbon dating other stuff stolen from the same graves, didn't they? I've thought that the primitive people might not have picked old tools and points up the way we do, because of superstitions and association with death or spirits. Some "expert" told me the rock sharpeners from one age had disappeared/been extirpated from the region for long periods before the next "civilization" came to be. I never was an artifact hunter but have known a few, my deceased neighbor had about 12 gallons of stuff from one 8A hay field and a guy I worked with found a knife/spear "factory" where he found a perfect 9" blade along with some partials and said the chip pile would fill a dump truck. The two sites are about 1/2 mile apart. 1/4 mi from the field there were acres of mounds until they were bulldozed out in the late '90s. I have a celt my dad found that looks to have been shaped with a grinder, then hardened, whatever it is made from isn't native rock.

"Those were the days.." , I caught river trout at -17F when I was young and "tuff enuff" , Bill said "heck they don't know its snowing, they are under water". 95F isn't so bad if you wade in the shade but there are limits in either extreme.

ssshh! I don't even want to know the drainage, some things are better left unsaid. That's a lovely fish and those places don't take much pressure to devastate.

I have often wondered what the people here between 4000BPE and 1800 used to hunt with, all the sharp rocks that I've ever seen found locally fall into that 5-10,000BPE category. Also have wondered why as time advanced the workmanship deteriorated.

Might say the most scenic parts (and the best farmlands) of all the Ozarks are under somebody's lake. I recall a trip up the bottom of Beaver before they built that dam and fished most of Truman when it still a river. Not a fan of flood control, me.

"Put another log on the fire". I ain't as tough as I once was, sunny, 45+ and no dang wind; you might get me fired up for fishin; but the days of wipin snow off my beard and plunging the rod under the water to melt the ice is long past.

I bought the cheap boot foots at Cabelas about a month back on sale for even cheaper, Tried the stocking foot kind on and decided real quick that I don't want to be hassled with separate parts. Worst thing all waders that I tried were snug in the top half, not much room for coat or vest inside them. I think when I'm ready to spend more money I'll likely get Caddis Waterfowl Wading systems bootfoot breathable. https://caddiswaders.com/

Just off top of head can think five "trout farms" that used to be on tributaries of the Elk plus all the indiscriminate stocking done by the Feds in early years.

Little orange fleshed native as native could be brookies. I spent a number of years in RI and fished nearby SE Mass. as well. Lots of tiny water that fisheries departments assumed were not suitable for trout and so left them alone. 10" was a whooper, 7-8" fairly common though. Cedar swamp flows mostly and water brown with peat and iron.