Martin, I think we met in the parking lot around 1:30. Sorry you didn't figure them out. As I told you (assuming it was you), my brother in law and I only managed one a piece in 2.5 hours. One on a pheasant tail, one on a black wooly. Lots of tiny crappie on the pheasant tail. Hoping for a lot of ice free water this winter. Hope to see you out there again.