Chief Grey Bear

No probably not. I'm not into man on man relationships. You kids have fun with it.

Naw, I shoot just fine. Been doing it for well over 40 years. Plus, due to my superior hunting skills, I have never had to come close to trying a 1000 yard shot. Hell, I have never made a 100 yard shot. Haven't needed to. Some skills can't be taught. You are going to shoot someone for walking on your land?? Gonna suck if that kids car broke down and he is taking a shortcut. You and Justin are the only CCW holders we worry about. But I guess they don't provide training for common sense reality.

I have talke to three different biologist at different times about springs and winter fishing. It wasn't the subject of conversation but, did come up during our discussions. That seemed to be somewhat of a magic number with them. And basically it was explained that anything smaller was in effect like trying to heat a cold storage warehouse with a hairdryer. And I agree with the some do and some don't. Just like your scenarios, there are three spots close to home where spring creeks run into a larger river that creates a significant thermal change in both winter and summer. But as you state for some reason they do not hold any more fish from one season to the next. Now the next question, but first a little story. My dad is an avid bird feeder. And that means he has squirrels. So he started live trapping them and taking them to the river and letting go. After catching all of them over a week or two period, he would be squirrel free for a few weeks but slowly, he would have four or five more and out would come the live trap. This has gone on for years. It is a never ending process. We have concluded that some squirrels just seem to be on the move constantly. We know that some fish move. And now with tagging, we know alot more about their movements. Of the tagged fish in the recent study, the only fish we have heard about is the few, that were caught miles from where they were tagged. Were this fish already moving? Do they not really have a home territory? Are some fish like these squirrels, always on the move? There are a ton of questions that will take years to answer.

You CCW zealots are an awful violent bunch.

I just want to know one thing. Where do these 1000 yard shots come in for self defense??

Seems to me somebody forgot to take a funny pill today. It was a joke dad.

Uh oh, you are now going to be labeled as a nonconformer! But at least you are in good company. Depending of course how you look at it.

Yeah the moved the boundary of the middle and south zone a year or two ago. How was it looking?? What area did you hunt??

I have heard that schizophrenic's like to hang together.

My question is, has this been happening for longer and more often than we think?? Before the mid to late 90's, sightings were pretty rare. But since then and the advent of trail cams, reported and confirmed sightings have skyrocketed.

Unless the spring is pumping 1000 gallons a minute or more, it is not going to have much effect. Anything less and the thermal impact is minimal at best and only within very close proximity to the source. And even at that rate or more, the thermal impact will dissipate very rapidly. I used to be a firm believer that you had to find the deepest holes in the winter to fish because that is what I was taught. But over time I have found time and time again fish hanging in the same areas that I find them in summer. Now of course not always in open water, but I have found them there occasionally. That is usually associated with a warming trend with lots of sunshine. But I can still find them in pools of only 6 feet deep next to some type of structure, more often then not logs and root wads. What about all the mill dams? Low water crossings?? There are a lot of barriers out there. I think there are more there then we realize. But didn't the tagged fish that were found long distances from the initial tagging area, move during the summer?? How do we know that the area they were tagged in was their home area??? Maybe some fish are just always on the move. I recall a spoonbill being tagged in the lower Grand River in Oklahoma being found a year or two later or three in the Missouri River in S. Dakota. Does that mean that all Spoonbill migrate?? Certainly not. Of course they are spawn migraters. I asked that same question a few months ago. Didn't get any response. If they go. I agree it is a fascinating subject. But again, I say more fish need to be tagged with radio-telemetry in more rivers. It would be interesting to tag a number of fish in the 10-13, 14-17, 18-21 range and see what each group does. Also do in it in differing stream sizes. How do north flowing streams compare to south flowing? And east flowing to west flowing? And it needs to be a multi year study.

You are aware that of the "studies" you linked, Three of the four, you linked the same one twice, stated that the "migration" is a spring spawning migration and not a winter migration??? And one stated "..they fatten up and hunker down..." doesn't sound like they are going anywhere. Sure don't. Unless it is a relativly small creek, 95% of the brownies I catch in these waters don't come from riffles. Year round.

Andy Taylor smoked.

And there are also studies from Wisconsin that say they only move about 3 miles if at all. You can find studies that say it has more to do with latitude. Othes still say it is trigged by the equinox. And you can find reports that say they don't move all and still more say it depends on the size of the river. You can find studies from Canada that go both ways. There are also studies that suggest they migrate in the spring to spawn. Maybe that is what you saw. But before Missouri jumps on the migration bandwagon, it will have to do more than tag a handfull of brownies from a couple of streams with money tags and even less with radio-telemetry and then study it for a year.

That sounds great! Until you realize that every person that eats out is making an unhealthy choice. But like they are saying right here, it is better to tax the few to pay for all, then to tax all to pay for all.

I agree. But I don't think exiled lives there. And I understand where he is coming from but again as stated, it's a piece of paper. I think getting all Bruce Lee on somebody is a little over the top.

Who is giving him grief?? I think we all agree here. I don't think it happens anywhere near the extent as is being portrayed in the last year or so here.

I feel for the next boy scout advertising a chili feed.

You have data for that??

We have always known some fish move around. Nobody disputes that. Putting some money tags on them only confirms what we already knew. The only way you will prove true migration is with radio tagging over a minimum of 3 yrs. Preferably 5 yrs. And it is my understanding that is what the MDC is doing.

That is what I have been hearing.

darn phone pads. I meant "Libs". I think you knew that though. LOL

I thought they all migrated out of there??

That is BS and you know it. First, look at how the rual Midwest, where the majority of farms are located, always voted. Always red states. Second, again, the vast majority of farmers don't want the government on their business. Unless of course there is some type of disaster. And I guess I pick on the GOP for the same reason you pick on the lobs all time.

I hadn't heard that one. It certainly sounds plausable though.