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Dave, are you talking about that place down by Steelveel Mo.?

hey sas, are your kids old enouph to use a spinning reel / push button zebco's ? my gson is 8 now and just getting pretty good with a spin cast and I am...well...he is a work in progress, lol I better take advantage of it because he still thinks pa pa is pretty cool. just gettin harder and harder to find a good fishin hole, ya know...troubles me so I have to get it while the gettins still halfway decent....10 years ago would have said good.

CC, Don't mean to laugh...but...have to on that one, lol. I bet if you were have not to of "traded it away" you would still be right where you're at ? if only'...said that several times, lol

Never have met tightline ?? One on a rogue, the other a sculpin imitation...much smaller water, don't remember was during the winter months. Have caught a few bigger than these in Ark. These were 2 of the first one's I caught years ago and wanted both a male and female to show the difference...

Thought you all might enjoy seeing a couple of browns I caught probably 20 years ago or so. The top fish is a female, 29" long and the bottom a male, 31" long. Both are mounted on a piece of cedar drift I worked down and finished myself...was submerged in water and gray when I found it. FINALLY ! got it as on my avitar...best I can do being the self proclaimed computer moron. You can compare the pack of ciggs under the head of the bottom one to reference the size. Tell ya what...it's rough being an old fart, lol

Thought you all might enjoy seeing a couple of browns I caught probably 20 years ago or so. The top fish is a female, 29" long and the bottom a male, 31" long. Both are mounted on a piece of cedar drift I worked down and finished myself...was submerged in water and gray when I found it.

I also reflect CC on this one...although being both natural and beautiful wood is not everlasting nor very weather resistant...nothing prettier no doubt but nothing harder to mantain...so is born the "plastic revolution"...kevlar and such materials that are both user friendly and impact resistant. If you construct a wooden canoe it will indeed be pretty...it will make you cringe for every rock you scrape over on a riffle and you will spend endless hours maintaining the integrity of the piece. The first scratch on the boat will compare to the first scratch on a brand new vehicle worsened 10 times over. You will be scratching money but above all you will be scrathing your time and pride concerning the integrity and effort put into the piece itself.

gf...did i miss something, often do, lol about paddles? I like em....show me the paddles

gf, I have worked in conjunction with both private aquaculturists and state agencies through the years. Concerning water and all that exists in it has been my area of expertise for many years... I do have some training and have had numerous classes but pretty much the things I've learned are through experience...pretty darn good teacher for myself anyway, lol. As far as pickeral, chain and grass ( chains being predominately the larger of the species) they eat an amazing amount of forage, they compare to a small muskie in essence. They are very aggressive and have a tendancy to eat anything (preferably other fish) that they can get ahold of. IMO if too large of a population exists in any given water whether it be lake, pond or river they may have a negative impact on any species of fish that co-exist with them.

Hey slider, what did you catch the walleye on?...crappie jigs I asume... sure would like to stink a little grease with a few walleye fillets, mmmmmmm!

Thanks CC...again the voice of experience, logic and reason. Your impartial opinions are the reason I ask of you to share your views. IMO your words hold strength and come from "learned experiences"...you have seen much change in your life. You state, "Civil servants should be reminded at every opportunity that they ARE servants and the people are their masters". Profound statement but seems to be a$$ backwards these days. IMO, most so to speak "give it up" when it comes to trying to get answers which is exactly what the bureuacrats count upon, at any level...time and money are both to their advantage, a luxury less enjoyed by us "common folk"...the "System" itself becomes their most valuable tool and the common folk (whom are the ones that write their paychecks with tax dollars) just become lost in the clutter. IMO it's pretty much a given...right or wrong?...we each have our opinions but the whole matter just leaves this old boy a bad taste in turn making it even harder to swallow.

In order to spawn successfully bows need a sustainable 55 degree water temp for 21 days Browns desire the water to be 51 degrees with hatch time being 48 to 52 days. I have caught "free flowing " female browns in 2 different rivers...most of the free flowing eggs I have seen would be questionable at best from my observations concerning healthy eggs. Between good water quality and sustainable temps there are varied opinions on spawning. IMO trout fry are highly vulnerable to predators for as they lay on the bottom of the stream bed before loss of their egg sack before "swimming up". IMO streches of the 11 pt. may be favorable for successful spawning to occur. I am unable to sit on the bank with a thermometer...so...this is just speculation on my part for whatever it's worth...probably not much, lol.

The following comes from "The Fishes of Missouri" by William L. Pflieger, published by MDC in 1975. Under the trout section of the book under "Importance" the following ends the section. "These trout are stocked in four parks and nine less intensively managed areas. Over the years the demand for trout fishing has increased dramatically. During the period from 1955 to 1965, the number of trips made by fisherman annually to the four trout parks maintained by the Department rose from 73,000 to 238,000, an increase of 326%." Just found that interesting ?

CC, Would sure enjoy your "take" on this... once again You state yourself so eloquently. stay persistant jc...imo you are asking of something that should be honestly and readily available to youself or any other tax payer... either you'll be given a reasonable answer of finally told to shut the !!!! up...but in a nice way, lol

IMO the light line literally by the time you have landed them they are totally exausted and stressed to the max due to the lengthy fight. Trout have slime which is more or less a protective coating so to speak...when netted, handled, etc. the slime is removed and this allows fungi and bacteria an open door. Every second the fish is out of water is like every second of a human being held underwater...gasping for air...trout are more sensitive to most species...imo a live well is not the place to go with one. The hook, flie, plug whatever should be shook from the fishes mouth while never leaving the water. If the fish is apparantly weak, lightly hold them by the tail and work them back and fourth in the water until they swim off under their own power...if not they may just belly up downstream and you'll never realize you killed the fish. I have killed few trout over the years, kept one here and there to eat and a couple to mount. This has always worked well for me...just my method, to each their own

I could beat a whole herd of these type horses till the day I drop, lol IMO I wish I could verbally black the whole systems eye...my intent is to raise awareness, for people not to turn a blind eye...change will be slow at best, understanding and recognizing the problem (which applies to addictions, habits, behavior, etc.) is the first step. Few have the ability to examine themselves and admit their faults at a personal level or otherwise. "If it aint broke don't fix it" seems to be the predominant mindset these days. John Hoskins...I know who he is and all his predecessor's...couldn't fathom one in his position posting on a "public" forum. No problem CG...It's proclivity to often perceive made statements.

Your another man with another opinion of which we all are entitled. If you feel the need for all to know...fill us in... And CG, who do you feel a finger is being pointed at ? Please enlighten us...or at least me...you seem to have fingers also...whatever...

AMEN to that one CC...believe in their mindset it's called "job security", lol.

CC,...just thinking now mind you, but... will not the chined edge be harder to draw sideways due to the drag created by the form itself? seems to me being keeless in combination with the flat bottom would be subject to wind also, lessened somewhat when loaded heavy in slow or flat water one will have to keep a paddle in the water much more...will not track very well?. lighter the load, better the maneuverability in tight water, less draw...heavier the load will track in the flat water better but will take more propulsion? to me this design is much more applicable to lakes or swamps as you stated...would have to say this boat is a hybrid...pointed bow and stern on the body of a jon?? I don't think this would be my choice of design for river applications but would say is probably quite easier to construst. I would much rather stand up in this boat above any canoe...will be much more stable even if the seats are mounted high...sitting on the bottom being the most stable as you mentioned.

Once again with a non forked tongue the voice of reason speaketh the truth! VOTING...imo voting intelligently would be a good thing, no doubt...just seems it would be nice to have intelligence to cast our ballots for...guess I'll keep on castin for fish, sad...but one is much more enjoyable than the other, lol

appears she was beginning to bust a gut from eating too much guts from the spot on her belly, lol. don't ya just hate to lose pets ??

Yep...had to look, lol figured it would be a muskie...but no...the dreaded "Ozark Brown Marlin" least it put a good bend in your rod, huh nice trickery...you did indeed fool my stupid butt...that aint sayin much though...my spare time is spent with gf plowin fields, lmao gf...did you make up the reference comparing yourself to a car? if so, that was darn good... about the way I feel in these so called "Golden Years"...more like puter!!

At least an effort is being made to help a diminishing species due to hunting pressue, loss of habitat, etc. Hope the donatee's monitor the efforts to ensure the donation is being wisely used. I hope this effort gives good results. IMO too often the money is, well...you know.

Just curious sc...were these MDC agents or Water Patrol. I have seen several WP officers on the Meremac, never an MDC agent.

Thanks CC...wise words, my sentiments exactly!! Raising hell...much easier for the bureuacrats to sit back in their leather desk chairs and lauph at us common folk. Trout are not even a native species to Mo., but this is where the money lies as you say. "Boutique fish"...yes sir, "Boutique world"...surely not, lol. Guess I'm glad a few still survive that see this world for what is is...dis-heartening if one lets it be but hey...it is what it is...deal with it I reckon. A change in mindset is indeed in order, but change, coping with change is not dealt with well by we who are only guests on this world. Mother nature has always been the provider...man has always been the taker... We have interveened, made attemts to control every aspect of her and once in a while she strikes back...just to let us know she is still in control. When will we learn to work with mother nature instead of a futile attempt to control her?? Thanks again for the thoughts and words...your HO reflects my own. BM