MoCarp

This is simple. he wants to PAY for someones gas and time to Give him some shad,his choice of word are erroneous in fact going to fish cats below truman, I will gladly PAY someone for gas and effort getting me some better yet do it as a favor free and I have friends and get some great deals on cheese, I have deer hunted and traded meat for other things, and cant eat all the meat---traded for quail also If I pay for gas at the end of a fishing day and take home crappie fillets is that wrong??????? with gas at almost 4 bucks a gallon a kid at the lake should be able to make some Itunes money

Yesterday and Today myself a friend....Tony and his girl friend Lisa...... put together some nice strings of slabs, got some scrooms yesterday, but not today, she wasnt happy she didnt limit out, unsure exactly what she was doing wrong that tony and I were doing right...'cept she wouldnt use the stinky fish attractant......go figure.......... 7-10 feet minnows or jigs with a touch of a home made fish attractant, coming to stores everywere soon...lol

just a heads up Common Carp (Cyprinus carpio) are not "asian" like the filter feeding "carp" bighead (Hypophthalmichthys nobilis) and the famous jumping (carp) from TV, ( Hypophthalmichthys molitrix) AKA "Silver Carp", Commons are not even distantly related, crappie are more closer related to black basses than commons are to the filter feeding bighead and silvers. also as a side note: grass "carp" or White Amur, (Ctenopharyngodon idella) probably more accuratley called "Siberian Carp" still widely stocked by fisheries biologists accross the USA, infact in Florida its against the regs to take or harm in anyway any "grass carp" on the note that anyfish be tossed on the bank, MDC RULE: "It is a violation to wantonly leave, abandon or waste commonly edible portions of FISH AND GAME" tossin ANY fish on the bank could get you a ticket at worst and IMHO bad manners and poor public PR......back in the day they tossed another "non native invader" brown trout up in the bushes on eastern brookie streams... OMG!!!!! for those who havent read this before here' s a bit of history History on the Distain of Carp by MoCarp . The common carp, Cyprinus carpio, Native to Eurasian Carpathian Mountains, and domesticated and spread throughout Europe by the Romans, carp were first stocked as a food fish in the U.S. in the late 1870s during the end of Grant administration by the newly created Federal Fish Commission. They were then spread by state governments to most U.S. watersheds via rail in an effort to restore overfished rivers. Public opinion turned against carp starting in the United States around late 1890’s (about 20 years after the first federal stockings) But carp remained popular in Europe to this day, why? Reputations are shaped by public views-- just as the Carps reputation was shaped by events 125 years ago in the USA, then why was the carp not held in distain in the UK or Europe? It is a myth that Europeans do not have anything else to catch or have few places to fish, Northern Pike, many trout species (even our own rainbows and brookies)--Zander--"a walleye like fish"—even a mega Predator called the Wels Catfish, are available to fisherman from any walk of life, but Carp are still king by a wide margin with billions spent across the EU. Why? Carp became a metaphor for all things poor—carp introductions was not meant as a federal institutionalization of fish farming or like the Brits planting of breadfruit trees as a cheap food source for labor populations of the English Empire's tropical holdings. Even like the potato in Ireland. These foods wealthy landowners considered foods that were low class, Only eaten by those who had nothing "better" to eat. The growing post reconstruction animosity that developed over time toward African Americans in the south and upper midwest & Eastern European and Chinese immigrants on the Coasts around the same time of carp introductions-is well documented. Naturally, any low income population subsists to some degree on hunted and gathered food sources to supplement more modern ways of working and earning wages to put food on the table. Unwanted items, became "poor mans fodder" chitins--fatback--possum--coon--and carp-- unwanted cuts of beef or chicken...plentiful and cheap---any people that ate them, where looked at in the same light--back then you fished to catch and eat--and if your a middle class man and caught some carp the proper thing was to give them to “that poor family down the street” a still pervasive attitude even today. Hunger was an issue in post civil war south and its boarder states--the complete dismantling of the old south plantation cotton economy/ and the poor food crop production from played out old cotton fields took many decades before the average southerner was living as well as they did pre-civil war--carp where an abundant food possibility--that could be harvested with no more than a trot line an a bit of cotton seed cake--- a rational way to catch carp in southern rivers--many an African American family ate carp--and why not?- considering how little cost was involved and the poundage of quality protein that would feed the large families at that time. Many lakes & streams where still distressed well into the 1950’s & less hardy bass and crappies even catfish were unable to compete the way carp and other fish can in contaminated waters because of the ability to take oxygen from the surface in low in oxygen environments due to pollution In the USA stocking Carp was intended to supplement traditional food fishes as a sustainable food source in many lakes & streams to augment fish stocks. At the time of the first carp stockings many states did not like the idea of the federal government telling them what to do—the confederate civil war veterans, most who would have been in their late 30’s to early 50’s with all the resentments of reconstruction, many viewed the carp as carpet bagger or immigrants fish with all the distain that comes with associated politics. In the northeast a flood of immigration from Eastern Europe where carp had been part of there diet for centuries. In many ways public opinion on immigration today mirror those at the turn of the century. Common carp quickly became considered a "poor mans fish" that’s was given to the states as a means to feed the poor minorities and immigrants. That along with the ability of the carp to dominate or take over distressed aquatic environments, was an uncomfortable metaphor for the northern business folk swooping down on the south to take advantage of new business opportunities (carpet baggers) or the huge wave of emigrants entering the northeast. it’s not surprising how the view of carp happened the way that it did The Brown Trout also once had a negative public reputation but seemed to weather the negativity, were as the carp elsewhere did not--possibly because the numbers of browns where not as wide spread as carp--and as trout were not a major food source for those who subsisted to some degree on wild caught foods in areas where they where stocked, primarily African Americans and eastern European or poor whites -- ---Even today trout fishing in most areas of the USA if not the world are demographically upscale " meaning trout fisherman on the average have a higher income level " just look at an Orvis catalog and you can see what I mean--which is one reason browns never sank to the level of distain as the carp. A proper game fish for wealthy Victorians was trout and the early rise of sport fishing was about the fly and the fish that could be caught on a fly. Then later-in the south’s warm waters--the bass--which was the southern equivalent –in fact southern old timers called largemouth bass "green trout" and the fish where much less available and rarer than carp at that time, remember this is before many large man made lakes that where built after 1930. Into the boom years of lake building 1935---1975 where almost billion surface acres of new largemouth and also carp habitat where constructed which coincided with the exploding sport fishing movement aided by the advent of spinning reels with monofilament fishing line. Up until post WW2 early sport fishing gear was generally expencive. Only now in the history of fishing in the United States has an atmosphere of fishing just for the thrill of the fight has become the dominate view of those fishing today In the past you fished to eat, not for the sport, that idea popular with turn of the century era President and avid sportsman Teddy Roosevelt who was keen to enjoy the outdoors this was well written about in the press and generated much interest in search of sport. He so loved the outdoors he establish the National parks as we know them today. Still you hear people say to you " why the heck would you want to fish for carp--bony things aren’t worth eating fish.” Old attitudes diehard. As you develop as an angler eventually the logic of why you fish kicks in with years of personal catch experience, even average size carp give the fight of a lifetime with many long drag smoking runs, isn’t that the point of fishing? ... now enter the growth of Euro-Carping over the last 15 years in the US .... ,

My hopes is to one day catch a huge brown I saw once on taney,if I told you how big you would say was lieing, I have caught MANY big fish of many species and it is my belief that fish would FAR pass the current world record by a wide margin... dead baiting can be done and I will say if done right the fish are NOT gut hooked, I will share some rigs at a later date but the teaser I posted should hint that not all dead bait should just sit on bottom ; ) if you cast a dead bait and fished it as it was a plug you can EFFECTIVELY catch monster browns and release them! needless to say night time at boat ramps and known cleaning stations would and should be on your stops! you can break the back bone of a 10 inch gizzard shad in 2 places that gives it a remarkable action and I find if you give your shad a dip in a 5 gallon bucket with diluted blue food color it looks much like a stocker bow, you can add a spot or two on your prepped baits with a nail and some undiluted food color " less is more here guys" as a note save your trout guts and parts and soak your shad in them overnight on ice the vac seal each bait individually and freeze them

Record Brown Trout & The Dead Bait Connection Ask most anglers and they'll admit that typically live bait produces better fishing results than artificial lures. It's a foregone conclusion among anglers who target both popular and aggressive species that live bait is the Holy Grail of fishing more days than not. So if live bait is that good, is there a time and place when dead bait rules? Surprisingly, the answer is a resounding yes. Dead bait works so well and the best artificial lures can't compete. Sound too good to be true? Read on. German Brown Trout are a popular species that have earned a reputation for being elusive. Browns are also a species of fish that literally chase down lures or live baits and attack them like a wolf on the prowl. To say that browns can be high energy predators is an understatement, but this species also scavenges food more often than you might realize. The nature of big browns during most periods of the year suggests that these fish are predators first and foremost. That's true to a degree, but there are times when dead bait will produce more strikes from Trout than artificial lures or even a bucket full of frisky live minnows. WHY WOULD AN AGGRESSIVE PREDATOR SCAVENGE? The first question to consider is why would a fish that obviously has superior hunting skills scavenge dead fish off the bottom? The answer is as simple as the fact that all predators hunt for food, but they are also opportunistic. Infact at times hundreds of pounds of shad as well as other fish are served up by Table Rocks Turbines, even the head and guts of eater rainbows are chunked into Taneycomo Browns are frequently described as the "canibles" sp? because of their voracious feeding habits on other trout. Lions, are the ultimate land predators, but these animals never hesitate to take advantage of an easy meal. Lions and other top predators scavenge frequently, even going so far as to bury extra food that they intend to seek out and eat at a later date. Trout don't bury meals for a snack down the road, but they do take advantage of a high protein meal when the opportunity presents itself. A scavenged meal represents protein that can be enjoyed without burning many calories to achieve the food value. In the record trouts world, an easy meal of dead fish can and often does spell out the way to grow far beyond normal size WHEN DOES DEAD BAIT WORK BEST? Dead baits can be used to catch huge trout at any time of year, but the lure of an easy meal is especially attractive any time numbers of dead fish become available, winter at Taney when food is at a generally at premium. Food is harder to come by in late winter because a full year of predation, disease and other natural forms of attrition has taken it's toll on numbers. As a result, huge trout are forced to hunt harder for every meal in late winter. WHAT DEAD BAITS ARE BEST Any type of large baitfish can serve as dead bait, but some bait types are better than others. Soft rayed fish that have lots of natural oil in the skin and flesh make the best dead baits for pike fishing. These natural oils leech into the water and help to attract trout that may be cruising in the area. Some of the best dead baits are shad. The easiest dead baits to find are large shad. Shad in the six to 12 inch range are ideal for dead bait fishing. Smaller fish will only tempt bites from smaller trout. More later on tackle and rigs

WOW Taney COULD use some Warm Water enhancement, walleyes and SmallMouth even pike or muskies would do VERY VERY well in Taney people would spend BIG money on pike one of the few fish not available in Missouri, rock bass red ear sunnies would be a nice additon as well

see it here after a life time of fishing, I have settled into this because I love that fight of a lifetime you get with every fish and they bite the best when everything else is not cooperating

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/topic/orl-ocoe...0,7995580.story Daphne Sashin | Sentinel Staff Writer December 7, 2008 OCOEE - City leaders last week approved a law to limit the sport of fishing with a bow and arrow after they determined the unregulated practice posed a threat to children. Under the bow-fishing law, which comes with a $1,000 penalty, the sport may be conducted only between sunrise and sunset and at least 100 feet from any child, marked swimming or picnic area, dock, pier or restricted or residential area. The rule bans the use of crossbows or draw-locking mechanisms.

late feb below truman dam....use a paste made from a handfull of calf manna pellets and a can of english sweet peas blended into porage soften the manna with a touch of boiling water mix.....then ad soy flour until dough use on a hair rigged spring for chum in a 5 gallon bucket pour 3 pound box of rolled oats "not oat meal" the add a 1 pound box of oat meal 1 table spoon koser salt to this mix 2 cans of cream style corn and one of whole bag of frozen peas "set out over night to thaw" if its dry add more cream corn, keep the lid on tight it should make a ball that will break down and get them feeding the way to fish it is squeaze it around your sinker...it will break off in a nice pile near you hook...in winter only toss out one or two balls to get them started as they can get over fed easy in cold weather...as it warms I have been know to chumm 2 or three 5 gallon buckets full enjoy

THE reason to gig on an ozark stream is tradition, should only make it legal with a wood torch gas lights, a generator is a poachers tool IMHO many many small mouth bass streams have been hurt by gigging bass

yup invasives...which include brown trout and LM bass....becarefull on these guys or one day we may all be fishing for snail darters and june chubs!

hey wayne a CAG clean up /fishin would be great pub might Talk to david about it

tail water conditions are ripe for "snagging" even if they are caught in the head, I can't tell you how many spoonbill I have caught in the jaw while jigging below Truman dam...do I think they fed on my jig? NOPE my jig hit them or vise versa...I think the same thing goes on with fly fishing fast strip strip strip and vola..the physics of big fish heading into current and turning down stream gives an illusion of more legit jaw/head mouth hooked fish

the bighead and silver "carp" are filter feeders and are no more catchable then a spoonbill it should be noted Common Carp are nowhere near related to the other 2 seems every new fish thats not a pred is a "carp"in the USA wade fish small rivers and fish nymphs in the evening in the riffles or tie a "bread fly" and fish where ducks are fed use plenty of backing or your fight won't last long

sorry 2 say but I moved to Texas and Jim had some heath issues...swmo is still on here I think and some fish ins are planned

they filter feed like a spoonbill

Plastic corn flys

the fish carp displace in the biomass would be native suckers like buffalo, which also feed like just like common carp / not getting any more bass by getting rid of commons--anyways I see table rock has a healthy carp population and the water is soooooo dirty from all that wallerin--Jkin! lots of myths still hanging around about common carp in our waters--many lakes that get muddy do so from what soils make up the drainage, if there are enough carp to dirty a lake, then its a symptom of too few preds, a 40 pound flathead can and does eat 8 pound carp! CATCH PHOTO AND RELEASE!

more info click here usally folks will meet up starting at 3 drawing begs at 7:30 pm probably river run cap ground or empire park depending on how much water we get

BULL SHOALS on The White River ! Missouri CAGI on June 23th -9pm -7am Come to Missouri and get your Lumps on June 23rd a night time event starts at 9pm! This swim is a cool to cold water swim, where water temps run a constant 59-65 degrees it is a wide riverine Environment that can be still like a lake, or a river with ample current depending on water releases. Usually most swims 5 oz of lead will hold in this mostly gravel and chunk rock bottom even with heavy flow. Small boilies and corn are the baits of choice --method mix and pack baits work here as well Bank access is good, as most swims can be driven almost to the waters edge, lending itself well to anglers who are less mobile. this will be a evening till morning event to avoid the heat and more fish are caught at night than in daylight in this very clear water venue. a 42 + pound lump (confermed by Local conservation agent) was taken at this locaton in late Febuary 06... so very large fish are possable, the swims where only discoverd by carpers summer 05 and to our knowledge the 1st serious attemps to catch carp here WITH EURO GEAR Accommodations are plenty in Forsyth as well as greater Branson with rates for any budget. Branson is where many family friendly things to do are available, shows, silver-dollar city and surrounding Tourist Attractions. Great carp swims are available in addition to the CAGI location... so come early and or stay after Forsyth is close to Arkansas boarder as well as a reasonable drive from Kansas and Oklahoma If you have questions please contact me Cheers Mo ATTACHED IS A VENUE MAP and a brief description of the swim Online fishing permits for those that need them http://www.wildlifelicense.com/mo/ Powersite Dam This area is one of the most productive stretches on Bull Shoals, the water from Taneycomo either warms or cools (depending on the season) this area. Taneycomo stays between 45 and 55 for most of the year and warmwater fish seem to be attracted to this water in the hottest and coldest times of year The area just below the dam is call the "Pothole" because of the diversity of fish that can be caught. Although Powersite Dam is very much different than all the other lakes on the White River Chain of Lakes, if they're running water, levels rise and water moves. One-quarter of Powersite Dam is hydro- water passing through pipes and powering turbines to generate electricity. The other three-quarters is a spillway, water passes over the top of the dam from Taneycomo and drops to BS's level. At full generation at Table Rock, as much as 8 feet of water could come over Powersite Dam. Large boulders line the bottom just below the dam on the west side with a stack of boulders in the middle. Although this makes boating interesting at times, these are great habitate for the fish. fish hug the downstream side of this pile in the winter and spring when the water is running. fish hang around the single boulders just west of the pile, using it as structure. Current lines and eddies are other places to look for fish. Most fish don't like strong current and will hold in both areas- along the banks and behind rocks. The stretch from the Pot Hole down is a good one. The topo map doesn't show the channel very well but the channel moves to the east side of the lake then on the west side there's a gravel bar the extends out half way across the lake. When the water level is over this bar, fish will be on top or just off the edges of the bar. The bar is pretty long- about 500 yards. On the west bank, where the bank changes from ledge rock to dirt, from that point down to the beginning of a gravel bar.

duck creek near Puxico Mo...FISH IN THE 24-30 INCH CLASS ARE PRETTY COMMON LURES--mepps angla white with a white pork strip slow roll it around weed edges in shade

our carp came from germany not china..infact carp are native to the carpatian mtns of eurasia closer to paris---than to peking.....another myth common carp are not "asian" carp where brought to england by the romans over 1000 years ago ..anyways Texas has "trophy" waters for carp now I guess it all depends on what "worth" someone puts on a fish...back east they say the same things about brown trout----still lots of myths about what "damage" they do--yet folk still toss 18 inchers under the bushes..old ideas die hard cheers mo ps this thread was to invite those inclined to--go carpfishing gf--you sound alot like a nativefish pundit I know

anyways THE CAGI is a way to introduce folks to eurocarping but mant do well with paylake and good old fashion ways....we catch and release all the fish we catch..we are not in it to rid the lakes of carp...they will be there no matter what a handfull of fisherman do-- we are showing folks some untapped fun....besides what can you catch everytime you go thats over 10 pounds and strips drag like a bonefish?

JUST A NOTE: common carp where introduced in the 1880's and where in the white river BEFORE the lakes where built..

after a while introduced species can become "naturalized" be it desired or otherwise..in effect a wildflower in a wheat field is a weed....its all moot rainbow trout are not and never have been native in Missouri as largemouth bass where never native to California....ARE THERE CONFLICTS? yes..does it out weigh the benefits? IMHO no..man has forever alterd our waters so think of it like this what is native in a farm pond? nothing as the pond is a non-natural water--just as tablerock is not the whiteriver any more and the fish interactions are differnt....somethings to chew on Cheer MO