FishinCricket

I consider my posts in this thread to be very diplomatic, all things considered.... (Phil, do you need more volunteer mods? I'll volunteer...)

Meh, he won't succeed, so I wouldn't worry about it too much.. Either he will figure out how forums work or eventually he will cross the line. I have a slightly different take on Scudz than you do, I think.. Allow me to explain: It's quite possible that he's a bit cantakerous, has a bit of a short fuse and a reading comprehension problem coupled with an inability to properly operate "this here internet thingy".. Exhibit one: I take this to mean he misunderstood KC's statement. He thought KC meant OK (oklahoma) instead of "okay"... the above also tells us that he doesn't know how to operate the forums edit features, he's already told us that it's easier to read the all caps.. Should I rest my case now? Fact of the matter is that, IMO, Scuds should be welcome here as long as he is willing to learn to use the forum properly and not be so confrontational with the other members.. Eh? ETA: Kayser's post above spells out my thoughts pretty well too, in a way...

Boy, you sure know how to call em... I dunno if Jesus practiced what he preached, but you sure don't! lol Seriously, the original poster asked a simple question, and in your many many posts on this thread you have yet to answer it. Either offer up some insight pertaining to the point of this thread, or refer to my last post where I told you to take your own advice. Allow me to clarify: Either pitch in on this thread, or get off of it. Seriously, where the heck is the moderator when you need them?

I did check put the old Hospital, they had a sign there explaining the history.. But I didn't see any signs about bats.. Thanks for all the responses guys, it was a fun trip but if I had to do it again I would seriously consider spending all my fishing time in about 4 select holes.. I saw some really good fish that I either spooked, missed, or had to float past..

Wowcool! I assumed that all "fly only" waters are single hook only as well.. I've been hanging around BSSP too long, apparently.. lol

you may not be a bonafide "troll", but your last two posts were straight outta da "How to be a troll" Handbook.. I take it you enjoy pushing peoples buttons? You are contradicting yourself, and you are off topic to boot... Congratulations! So, if you have been to Tan Vat recently and would like to give some input regarding that on his thread, feel free. Otherwise I politely suggest you take your own advice, or maybe start a thread all about how we are all idiots and you have it all figured out. Maybe title it "Why you will never be as smart as me".. PS: You know Jesus? He is a good guy, he used to do all my gardening before La Migra showed up and took him back to Chihuahua.. I sure am gonna miss that guy....

thanks for the advice, I was mainly thinking single hook spinners for her for the next trip (Baptist to Cedargrove), single hooks only there, right? (trophy waters?)

might I suggest considering a Black maribous with lead heads.. 16th ounce, or some type of egg pattern, and like Brian said: Avoid the redds, but fish below them to the egg eaters. My first float down the Point was in November, and it was absolutely glorious fishing!

I am a slow floater, so anyone else could make it downstream faster, but we got on about 10:30 and got off around 7:30.. It was a good trip... Next float will be Baptist to Cedargrove, we'll have to get the wife one of those single hook spinners... lol

The wife decided (on Saturday night) that she wanted to come with me to the Current (which of course totally changed my "wading at tan vat for the first time ever" plans, shucks), so I quickly drummed up everything that we neede for a canoe trip. We arrived at Jadwin's Canoe Rental at 9:30 am and didn't get onto the water until 10:15 am. I figured the fishing day was pretty well shot and I was in for quite a bit of paddling through good fishing spots. I was wrong, and pleasantly suprised. First allow me to say that you really need to address this particular section of river in two manners, and even give it two names, "Above" welch spring and "Below" it.. Above it seemed like the best spots (from a canoe) were in the deep blue holes, and more importantly the top and bottom of those holes. I was able to drum up one good sized smallie in the middle of a deep hole, but that was abnormal, it seemed. Mainly smallies and Goggleye competing for food, so alot of goggleye and perch hook ups with a smallmouth chaser... Only one trout above Welch, and it wasn't exactly a large one (6 inches). I was just casting the "pinkie" around at the edges of the weedbeds at the end of one of those long slower holes and he came out from underneath the brush. I thought it was a minnow or something at first, then he fought like a bulldog baby smallie, but it was a dang rainbow! My wife was impressed... Anyways, the highlight of the "Above Welch" portion was the rock bluff just upstream from the spring itself. It had a tree hanging down into the river, and the water was a real pretty deep blue, it looked like ice. I sat in that same spot catching Goggleye for a good twenty minutes, one every cast. Only one was a lunker by Gogglie standards (10 inches), but he sure felt like a two pound Smallmouth, a truly enjoyable fight on an ultralight rod. Also another highlight was the wife hooked a very good sized smallmouth dragging her rebel teeny craw behind the boat through one of those fast moving deep holes, but she couldn't land it. ("Baby, keep your rod tip up, quit pointing it at the fish! Don't lean that far, give it some drag! Did you move your drag? Oh, you were playing with it before cause you didn't know what it was, huh? <- All things I didnt say to my wife, lol) Below Welch: Actually, at the confluence it's a totally different river! Big swirls on both sides produced a couple smallies a piece for us and one trout that fought like the dickens and jumped twice before doing me the favor of releasing himself.. From welch down it was TOTALLY different habitat for the fish. Big blue holes here and there, and every depression seemed to hold a fish or two. Immediately we started seeing big trout chasing and even a monster smallie or two coming out from the still spots and depressions. Lots of schools of bait fish and big suckers. Just all in all very beautiful territory... The wife used the same teeny crawl all day and I used the same two lures (1/16th oz White maribou with pink head and a 1/8th oz Rainbow colored Kastmaster spoon) on my two ultralights. Deep and slow seemed to be the key. All in all my wife quit counting at 40 fish to the boat (Seems like a caught almost that many goggleeye, though!). No trophies by any means, but a great float trip and some really defined fishing waters... Spoke with alot of friendly locals and all seemed helpful in offering advice on what to fish with and which other stretches of that river (and other nearby rivers) we should try out next. We didn't see much in the way of trash, but we still managed to fill up both our trash sacks they provided (we always do, even though it usually means a swim or two). Thanks to Jadwins Canoe rental, and a Special thanks to Scudz_Rule for suggesting which river to hit, I'll look forward to my return trip soon! Next time I'll bring my waders and my fly rod.....

I would love to see your philosopher son create his own ID on here, the two of you seem like interesting characters, it'd be better if we could distinguish between the two of you (assuming I can get you to take my up on my "no more all caps" challenge ) ..... Either way I, for one am glad to have your input, and here's an example of why: The scudz giveth and the scudz taken away.. hehe We all realized you were attempting (again) to steer people clear of the current, and some of us even understand why. But then you go and give em some more tips! You truly are an interesting man, I'll look forward to hitting the river with you in October with my little maribous and my $19 shakespeare. Hopefully by then we can all be friends... sharing secrets on this little forum about our favorite rivers.. Who knows, give it a few years and you may have to come back here and read your own words just to remember what did work.. It's a bitch getting old, ain't it? Uh, I would please beg to differ. I'll admit that I didn't get to go to the Tan Vat area on sunday, but I did speak to plenty of locals between Cedar Grove and Akers Ferry. One local fishing from the bank that wasn't sure whether or not he was allowed to have those three 12-16 inch browns on his stringer! I counted 9 canoes or kayaks (all rentals), and only one other fisherman among them. I saw ONE fly fisherman (below welch spring) and he WAS a local (said he lived 20 miles away and fished there often). I counted 20 bank fisherman, most using bait. The point? If anyone feels that that particular stretch of the river is overfished or abused, they need look no further than their own back yard for the most probably solution. (I admit my study was a bit short and unscientific) Just like down here on the niangua where the fisherman (foreign and domestic) are not an issue, it's the drunk floating idiots and the numerous local partiers that ruin the fishery.... But that's a different rant. No, Scuds I don't mean boobies and craps, I mean Controlled Business. A fishery is a very viable business, and if you can't understand that already, then I'll just have to explain it the next time were on the river together. But the basic concept is that if people are going to come to the Current either way (AND THEY WILL, REGARDLESS OF OUR CONVERSATIONS OR THIS FORUM) then someone can and should step in and control and assist. Like the canoe outfitters and campsites. Man, I really do feel where you are coming from, but all the anger in the world isn't going to change the fact that the Current will always get more traffic and more traffic and more traffic.. So are you ready to start taking people on guide trips? I'd like to volunteer to be your first customer, but only on two conditions: 1. You have to bring the philosopher along 2. You aren't allowed to bring ANY rope

Sorry I missed your post buddy.. Hope you get to feeling better!

sounds like a tool that should be in every tacklebox... (the salesman in me is intrigued)

Dang it, Techo! Why did you have to wait until I had the crap in a bucket? Couldn't you have spoken earlier? I was just logging back in to ask how exactly you get the lip of the balloon around the edge of the five gallon bucket.... lol Seriously, you know waaaaaaay too much about drugs man... (shhhh)

Here's a decent question: How exactly do they intend to outlaw it? I have heard of some stupid drugs, but I do believe that inhaling the fermentation of your own feces pretty well takes the cake!

The Niangua and te Eleven Point are fishing well too... But none of the locals there seems to need as much of a lesson on manners, SIR... Besides, everybody says there's some real monsters there, they'd look Good cooked in my king sized skillet! (j/k) (now more politely) THE OAF IS GOOD ABOUT TAKING A FUSHERY UNDER ITS WING, AND I AM HOPING THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING TO WORK WITH THE LOCALS ON THE UPPER CURRENT. THE MORE CONTROLLED BUSINESS THAT COMES THAT WAY, THE BETTER YOUR ECONOMY WILL FARE, AND THE BETTER OFF YOUR FISHERY WILL BE. I am headed out right now to go float and fish down to Akers.. Wish me luck?

I definitely feel where your coming from. I am 28 and grew up fishing the Niangua. Both our fisheries (Niangua and Current) have seen an increase in pressure over the years. One other thing that our area has seen? An increase in revenue, tax dollars, residents, and quality of life. Finding a balance is the key. Besides, how can you or I blame anyone for falling in love with a pasttime that we also love so much? Better to give advice and keep a keen eye for people abusing the fisheries. I look forward to chatting with you, glad your here. Maybe youre the one I should be inviting down for the winter season?

Scuds, I did read all your posts. Every capitalized word. I made a friendly challenge, I really don't expect I can outfish anyone, it was an attempt to steal your secrets. BUT I TAKE IT BACK. INSTEAD I AM INVITING YOUR SON. HERE'S WISHING FOR A COLD WINTER, I HOPE YOU RECANT THAT WISH BEFORE YOUR FRONT PORCH IS COVERED WITH A FOOT OF ICE!

Just kidding about the trailer and the family, but I am thinking we can all come down fish and see just what the fishery is like down there.. Anybody else in? And if so, when?

I cook best when I do it the same way I filet em.. That is to say that I have someone else do it.. Better bet some money or something instead.. lol

Sure! We going on total weight or total fish?

Golly gee, you are a happy person, aren't you? I challenge you to two things: 1: pick 5 dates during the C&R season at Bennett and I will show you how a spincaster with a maribou can outfish you and your flyrod (averaged out over five days cause that seems the fairest) 2: I challenge you to quit typing in all caps.. (it's the equivalent of screaming, and it makes you seem more heated than you probably are) I did find one thing you said very comical: That's funny right there.. lol Yes, spinfishing is easy, I suppose.. But allow me to ask you: what's the point of fishing? Is it to get a strong forearm? A good tan? Spend your kids inheritance on all the "right" gear? I propose that I fish because I like to trick fish into eating a lure, thinking it's real food. Whatever I can use to make that easier (while still preserving the integrity and viability of the fishery, as well as within my legal bounds) is a tactic worth considering. Sorry for ranting at you, but sour grapes tend to grow more sour grapes. Take the following quote for example: now let's be fair, you said a little more than "I prefer the flyrod".. You said spincasting was easy to master (10-15 minutes for a youngster, wasn't it?), you said that the fight sucks as well.. And I am sure you were going easy on us. Sour grapes man.. I sincerely hopeyour trips to the river are more peacful in nature than your trips to the forum here. Welcome again either way, I look forward to learning something from you...

hey, welcome to the forum.. Thanks for the report! (Nice signature, BTW... I fall into that "some" category, most of the time.. Glad you finally made it here)

You been talkin to my wife about me again, haven't you?

Go go gadget powerbait! Nice fish sir.. Thanks for the report, Phil.. And thanks for the forum to read it on.