laker67

Hey buddy, just funnin you. I changed the date to read 08 instead of 09. Good report and some nice fish caught. Keep those reports coming.

This report sounded familiar to me so I happened to look at the date on top. What's up Leonard?

Welcome back to missouri waters! I hope you still have most of your body parts from all of those bear encounters. I will be looking forward to fishing with you and DD'sMC on the downstream side of RR.

This comment forces me to defend the the true art of sight fishing. The method that you just described is not sight fishing. This method is forcing the fish into a situation that you and the fish do not want to be in. The outcome will be as you described. True sight fishing is the art of presenting your fly in a manner that makes the fish come to you and eat your presentation. You have to keep the fly a safe distance from the fish to avoid what you just described above. It is hard to force feed a fish. There is an art to consistantly catching big fish, just like the art of making an eighty foot cast. If you bore easily, then sight fishing is not for you. You might stand over 20 big fish, hook up with 3, and if you are lucky, land one. That is what sight fishing is all about. Since it doesn't take much to entertain me , I am a sight fisherman.

We would all be too old to fish for them by then. Taney is a trout lake, I say go for it. I like fly guy's idea of tagging each one. Impose a minimum of a 30 inch limit and one fish. Quit raising midget rainbows {arlees and McClouds}and start raising fish that would test the limits of your fish fighting abilities. They might eat a few million crappie and bluegill, but you have bull and table rock for those fish.

What a great organization. My hat is off to all involved, espesically the local guides and business owners.

Congrats 10pointer, a super nice rainbow by anyone's standards. You have to let the cry babies and the boo hooers roll on like the current. It's not about them, it's about you and the fish. "RPS" pretty much described them to a tee. I too am a light tippet advocate, I enjoy the challenge. Congrats again!

Just to keep the record straight, there is not a separate record class for "steelhead".

According to what I have read on triploids, they are unable to reproduce and don't even go through the motions. They invest all of their time eating and growing large. No wasted energy for spawing like other diploid fish.

So basically you are saying that fish already on record would stand since there would be no way to check those levels to determine if indeed it was a triploid fish. The previous 43 pound "triploid" would stand as the world record "diploid" for lack of proof otherwise. I think I see what you are getting at. I am ready for some of those big boys in taney. Apparently they can grow that large in about 12 years.

Hey this is a good topic with a lot of good views and considerations. I was searching through an IGFA forum and found the following quote from Jason Schratwiesser, IGFA Conservation Director. "We do not differentiate between triploid and diploid fish." Then he quotes a ruling already in effect concerning the matter. "There are some aspects of angling that cannot be controlled through rule making. Angling regulations cannot insure an outstanding performance from each fish, and world records cannot indicate the amount of difficulty in catching the fish." They are taking a pretty solid stance on the subject.

No licks to be handed out here SIO 3. You bring up a good point. I see that your idea of "fair chase" and mine are the same. I would imagine that the other board members agree.

At some point these triploid rainbows and the seeforellen brown trout will dominate the record books. Michigan and New York raise the seeforellen browns because they are adapted to living in cold water lakes. They also have a longer life span than german and other strains such as missouri's sheep creek. Longer life has the potential to produce larger fish. It is just a matter of time until all of the line class world records will change. I am not sure if argentina's sea run browns are of the seaforellen strain or different altogether. Right now most of the fly rod world records come out of argentina. A 68 pound seeforellen brown was caught out of a bavarian lake a few years back. It failed IGFA requirements to be accepted as a world record. Seeforellen browns and triploid rainbows would survive in lake taneycomo. I say that missouri and other states need to get on the bandwagon or be left in the dust. As far as these strains of fish being allowed in the record books. I don't have an opion on that as yet. You have to consider that it is still a "one on one" encounter, regardless of the genetics of the fish. When an angler hooks into a monster fish, the odds are definately in the fish's favor. If the angler wins, I'm not sure you should dimish his feat of accomplishment.

I am not trying to start something here, just using OTF's quote as reference. Some say a "hatchery raised" trout can never truly be wild, but develop some of the instincts of a wild trout. Then you refer to a "wild trout" in the Piney or Crane. Those "wild trout" are the offspring of hatchery raised trout that were stocked in the creek.

Fair enough! If you change your mind, I would like to see your response.

Missouri hatcheries maintain broodstock from several different stains of wild trout. Most are from the missouri strain of trout which in itself originates from the original Mccloud broodstock of the 1880's. Therefore I say that "all" have wild DNA roots. From crane creek fish to RR hatchery raised fish. Even triploid fish originate from the wild trout egg. Survival in the creeks and their attempted spawing routine stems from their wild instincts. That's my take on it Chief. How about yours?

I think that you have just come up with a new "ozarkapedia" term. Terry can add that one to his book.

That's a shame on the numbers of fish that you found dead. I thought arkansas had installed some 02 injectors. It sounds like the fish with fly's in their mouths, were breakoffs that never recovered from the stress of the fight. 100 dead fish every day is like 20 limits coming out of that small area you were fishing. Thanks for the info.

Congrats to Sean Konrad! That is one heck of a fish regardless of its origin. I would not be opposed to triploid rainbow in taney. Since missouri has the midget strain of rainbows, it might put taney back on the map. The browns can take care of themselves because of their wariness. But I think our rainbows should be ramped up a bit. If any of you get the chance, check out "fly fish arkansas", John Wilson's website. Those boys seem to be a little bitter about losing the record to Michigan.

I'll tell you how I "take it". I take it with offense. OAF members, owners, and the sponsor of this tournament are some of the finest sportsmen and fishermen that my homestate of Missouri has to offer.

My congrats to Tom Heally. What a tremendous brown! Wow!

I hope you get to make that move. Welcome back home to missouri.

Rip the eggs out of female trout and use them for bait. If all else fails, a cherry bomb thrown upstream from your position works extremely well. Have your net handy. Cheers to you also and thanks for the fishing tips.

Be thankful that you live in Kansas, Drew! I certainly am. I say this in jest because I know you are a good sport.

Drew, Drew, Drew! You have gone and hurt my feelings saying that taney has no credibility. With the completion of TRD, I would say that MDC made the only choice possible to take advantage of the hand that they were dealt. I don't think that missouri has a native fish that would live and thrive on the upper end of the lake. Taney's fish are not stocked lunker size, they have to survive and feed to attain that status. About the only time native fish visit the upper end is at a flood gate event that raises water temps more to their likeing. If you removed the trout, I do not think the natives would do anything other than they do right now. Missouri's larger springs probably have the same un-comfort zone for a ways below them. Thanks for your input Drew.