jdmidwest

Ozark Fly Fishers out of St. Louis is the chapter of FFF that covers this area. http://www.ozarkflyfishers.org/

I have not applied for my CCW for 2 reasons. Some seem to assume that if one carries a firearm daily, they are carrying it concealed. One, most of the areas that persons should be armed in are marked on the door with a "Criminal Protection Zone" sign, aka "No Weapons Allowed". In MO, you can't carry in public assemblies, State government areas, Federal government areas, schools, or any business that posts a sign prohibiting it, typically places that groups of people assemble and nut jobs would take advantage of the fact they are unarmed. And my day job would prohibit it, MODOT licensed vehicle, Class 3 CDL, entry into most factories, and crossing the stupid ditch into IL on a weekly basis would require me to leave it at home. Two, I feel it is another tax that I would have to pay for my rights granted by the constitution. My personal property and real estate is taxed. My motor vehicles are taxed. My right to drive is a tax. My right to carry a firearm concealed would be taxed. I will never own any of the above free and clear. But, contrary to popular opinion, I have no affiation to the Tea Party. I do carry in my vehicle according to state law. I carry openly when I am outdoors and allowed to do so. It is my opinion that open carry is actually a deterrent to violence, who really knows what crimes have been prevented by the criminal seeing an openly carried firearm. I rarely feel the need to carry on a street in the towns I visit. Above all, safety is the most important thing. I do believe in the training portion of the requirement to carry a weapon concealed in this state. I think every firearm owner should have to go through the basic course, either Hunter's Ed or the NRA firearms course. Both stress firearm safety to the max. It makes up for the things you might have not learned in life experiences.

Ness brought this up in a totally unrelated thread, so I thought I would start a new one. Having raised one litter and starting on the grandkid thing, I feel I have a little to share with folks. First of all, be open with your kids of any age, show and teach them about the guns you own and the danger they can create. Don't just hide them, sneak them around, this just ups the curiousity factor that could lead to an accident. Instill in them that there are play guns and real, big boy guns. As they get older, shoot with them, teach them safe gun handling methods. Take a hunter's ed course with them and practice the words they preach every day, Treat every gun like it is loaded and never point it at anything you don't want to shoot. The rest of the Ten Comandments of Gun Safety are important also, but that is the most important. As far as storage, I try to keep ammo and guns in different places. I have several open gun racks in my house with guns in them. The ammo is all tucked away in a protected location. There is always a hot gun that I carry on a daily basis. It is in my control at all times. All others are unloaded or mags loaded and locked in a safe with a key in the safe place. Same goes when outdoors or in the car with the kids, the hot gun (loaded with one in the chamber) is in my control. If I leave it, it goes in a lock box in the car, a tamperproof security safe, the key on my keyring. I have never really believed in trigger locks, I think spending the time raising your kids and teaching them about firearms goes alot farther than locking them up and telling them to stay away. It was the way I was raised. I had my own guns since I was 11. My daughter started at 13. The grandkid will probably start even younger, probably around 5 or 6 with air rifles. Knock on wood, non of my family has ever suffered from a firearms incident and all were raised with the same drill, all guns are loaded and don't point unless you want to shoot.

Jeesh, how many beer cans did you have to sail off her head to get her to sit still and be quiet? Who got this thread off the rails onto this.

I used my pistol last year to signal some target shooters that there was someone fishing in the stream that they were shooting into. With bullets flying around my head, they heard my shots and stopped shooting.

Do you wear a life jacket when floating or get off the water in a storm? If so, you would carry a gun for the other two problems you suggested. Some things in life are not always a happy topic. You have to deal with reality on a daily basis.

People don't carry guns because they are paranoid or looking to start a fight. People carry guns because in most cases, you are the only one around that is available for your personal safety in case of an assault, attack, or other violent act. Most criminals don't attack their victims in sight of an armed police officer. Most places I hunt and fish would require no less than a 30 minute response time from local law enforcement or longer. Most places don't have cell service either, so 911 is not an option. I personally carry because when I am out in the outdoors alone, I really never know what I will wander up on. A portable meth lab, wild dog, wild hog, or maybe a nice frog if they are in season. Or maybe, I slip and break a leg with my new non skid, non felt waders and need to signal for help. I never carry because I am scared. I am smart enough to realize that there are things in this world that care less about my life than I do, the firearm just helps to equalize things a little.

Wet fly hooks are made with stiffer, heavier wire and usually have different shape, shorter shank. Dry hooks are made with fine wire and have longer shanks as a rule. You would probably sink a size 18 with a wet fly hook, not much material there to make it stay on top.

They will probably just slap the snot out of any violater and let them go....

Keep this up, it is always nice to see what shape my favorite trout stream is in..

I snatched up a bunch of old Herters stuff on Ebay 10 years ago. I have a few of the Thompson Clamp A style, 2 of the screw knob type, and a couple of the huge vises with a big s shape handle to lock the jaws down. I also collected some of the tools and accessories. They are all on display in my tying room.

Since the original posting, Reeds Cabins at the top of the hill has a full service fly shop open now. Full line of tying materials, flies, rods, reels, and waders.

Renzetti Cam Traveler for the last 5 years. Renzetti Traveler Screw type the 15 before that. Then there was a Cabelas travel kit, a Thompson A original, and a Uni Vise. I own a half dozen Herters also, but have only tied a few flies on some of them. I have always wanted a Regal Rotary, Renzetti Master, and a Norvise.

While doing some research, I found a letter from Attn John Danforth regarding the matter on the St. Francois River in 1971. It lists the navigable streams of MO. And it references Elder v Delcour. http://ago.mo.gov/opinions/1971/264-71.htm The decision circa 1954. The camping reference was to pull over and eat lunch or make repairs to the boat, not overnight camping. http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=16972749023983545035&hl=en&as_sdt=2&as_vis=1&oi=scholarr And it simply states the banks of the stream, but does not define how far the easement extends from the water edge.

There is no gray area here, landowners own the land around and under the stream in this state. Some of our old deeds use the center of the creek in the description, other areas both sides. Elder Vs Delcor just allows you to float, wade, portage streams because the water and the fish belong to the state and are not privately owned. It does not guarantee you the right to run up the bank to take a leak, camp, party, hunt, ot acess the private lands surrounding the water. I have always heard talk about "high water line" access but I have never seen it in a description of the law. Stream banks are always considered land and are either public or privately owned. If someone can come up with a legal description that allows them to use the high water mark, then point me to that law. My point is, like OTF, you have to be more tactful when you are on the stream. When confronted, don't just start spouting the court decision has given me the right to be here, it will always go south.

In light of another thread on here, I just thought I would mention something that is drilled in the MDC guides and rules over and over again. A permit to hunt and fish does not allow trespassing. You are to RESPECT others property and ask permission before you enter. Anything outside of the river in most areas is private property. I am guessing that most posting on here do not own large parcels of land that are managed for wildlife and fishing. Most do not farm, own livestock, or make their living off of their real estate. As a landowner, farmer, and outdoorsman, I respect others property when I float across it. I will stop and introduce myself and strike up a friendly conversation with any landowner that I come across and RESPECT his property. I don't pull out a court decision that I have the right to be there. It is in my opinion that it is a priveledge to be there. As a landowner, I deal with trespass on a regular basis. Just yesterday, I encountered a pair of rabbit hunters exiting our property. When encountered, they were cordial, introduced themselves, and we conversed. They were hunting neighboring land, were given permission by someone other than the landowner of the property, and the dogs had run rabbits onto our property where they pursued them. They were nice and I did not stress the fact that they did something wrong, and was invited along on the next hunt. They have been using that property all season without permission from the landowner. But that is not my land and we informed him that is was not the right of the person that give him permission to let them on. 3 deer seasons ago, I encountered an individual sitting behind a deer decoy in full camo in the middle of our field on opening day of deer season. I confronted him and sent him on his way, reminding him the danger of hunting in full camo behind a deer decoy. Seasons past I encountered another individual that routinely hunted inside of our fence on a field. When I started to approach across a 40 acre field, he would leave. This went on for 2 seasons till I finally put purple tape on all of the fence at that side of the property and stole his seat cushion. The posting drew comments from 20 locals, and only 2 of them actually owned the property that bordered us. The same area a few years back was infested by 5 hunters wearing camo a few years back with no orange one afternoon when I decided to take an opening evening drive to the field. It was a danger area for crossfire. I have lost access to one area that I used to fish from because the landowner of the area was mad because we gated another stream acess that was becoming a drug problem. I explained to him that he was welcome, he would just have to stop and get a key, but he would not budge and I stay off his property. Bottom line, RESPECT the persons that own land and ask permission or be nice when you do float across their land and you will probably get alot farther than you will standing up and telling them you have the right. Landowner deal with alot, trash, damage, torn fences, poached livestock, vandalism, etc, Stand in their shoes for a moment and think about it.

So, he did not travel back to South Dakota. He is going back to his family in the Ozarks....

I use Thule Hullaports on my factory Toyota racks. I have used Thules in the past on one of my Blazers and liked them. Either Thule or Yakima are good, don't know about the inno. Look into saddles or a carrier like the Hullaports to keep them off the roof paint.

Was he blocking access to the stream, blocking you from floating the stream, or telling you to get off his gravel bars? This would make a difference on how to pursue it.

Did they get a ticket for chumming?

The weather guys were really off this weekend. Never got above freezing in SEMo today with a bitter wind.

More power to ya, but I doubt if it will get any where. Try driving 5 hours to Norfork and see the water come on as you are walking down in waders! SWPA is the persons that control the water. They have releases for electricity, minimum flow, and other reasons like when the Fish and Game needs to float down river to stock. They may have a increased demand due to a need for power if another source drops offline. Or they may shut down for repairs. If they have plenty of water, they will generate as it is a cheap source. But like you, there should be a more accurate way in this day of tech and on the spot info.

I have stayed at a couple of motels in Rolla, one near the Sizzlin? on the south side near the end of the strip and the one near the interstate on the north side. Both were ok, but that was 15 years ago. Can't remember the names. Last few times up, I stayed at St. James at the Quality/Days Inn? on the NW side of the interstate. Good rates, clean rooms, friendly people. Not far from Rolla. If you are fishing, you can hit Meramec or Montauk from there. Take the road to Salem before you get to Meramec off HWY 8, it is about the same distance as from Rolla. Motel in Licking is fine too, located at the intersection of 63 and whatever in Licking.

A little quick research shows that it probably does not have anything to do with cookies, but maybe a blog site with TimThumb software. I know several on here run their own blogs, it is usually listed in the signature line. If you went that way it may have triggered the response. Or it may have something to do with the switchover. Nothing has triggered my Avast. Avast Blog, Following Wordpress into a Blackhole.

Its better now it seems. I could not log in last night. Could not even see the forum the night before. Last night was really slow but better this morning.