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Would a potato meet the definition of a projectile in 570.301.5? Where's Hoglaw?

flyingfingercricketwrench, I think you've been taking it personally, and trying to turn it into a gun rights argument. I'll sum up my point, and I hope you'll take it for what it is, not what it could be: I don't see a need to carry when fishing because the risks are minimal. I believe the risks go up when there's a gun in the mix. Have a good day, and please be sure to post a warning here if you're planning to be out on the stream.

No OTF -- this thread's completely different than all the others because, so far, no one has said 'MDC denies the existence of cougars in MO' yet.

So far, in 100% of my situations I could say "Once again I didn't need my firearm."

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/01/09/3418452/dumped-horses-are-a-problem-for.html

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That post is right on the money. Teach, teach, teach, and still take the precautions. The risk is so great that it requires extraordinary caution. We differ in that I just keep them locked up, and I don't feel the need to carry one. But we're on the same page: every gun is treated as if it's loaded, and I drill that into my kids heads every time. I'll unload a shotgun, rack the chamber a few times, let them look down the barrel and hand it off saying 'here, this gun's unloaded, right?' Or while hunting birds I'll ask about every 5 minutes or more, 'where's your muzzle?' When you've got it in your hands, you gotta be on your toes 100% of the time.

Uncle.

Yeah, it was sweet watching those Currentmanese come pouring outta there all covered in tater.

You mean tater gun? All this fancy talk and f-ers has me cornfused.

Man, flysmallie, flyflinger, fishingwrench. I get all the f-guys mixed up.

I let ColdWaterShtr fire it a bunch of times first.

Yeah, no doubt if an armed campus policemen had been right there it would have helped. But you kinda see my point, right? I notice suicide and accident up on the list, way ahead of homicide. I don't know how many of those were with guns, but surely some were. If a gun is a little less handy, might there be a few less of those? Accidents happen with children and guns with some regularity -- adults too. People kill themselves by all kinda means, but if there's a loaded gun sitting right there when you reach your wits end... I'm not demonizing guns or people who carry them, especially you because you seem like a pretty reasonable guy (though somewhat lacking in sense of humor ). But I think the presense of a gun in the heat of the moment and/or in the wrong hands can turn disasterous. Not so sure our CC laws can weed out 'the wrong hands', though I know they try. I'm sure lives have been lost because a gun was present in the heat of the moment. So I keep 'em unloaded and locked up. And I respect your right to do it your way.

Yeah, if those 33 kids would have been packing heat, or you'd have been there, that would have all turned out better, right? Oh, and way to miss the humor.

Yeah, somebody mentioned the 33 students at V-Tech, but look at the 10s of millions of kids safely in college before and after that... Darn near everybody that eats at Luby's survives.... The odds of the things you guys are protecting yourself against are pretty slim. The odds of somebody getting shot go up when there's a gun around. In fact, 100% of shootings occur when there's a gun around. I lock my doors, have an alarm system and have a couple killer Britannys to protect me at home. I sleep soundly and have sweet dreams every single night. Al -- you ought to put those shells somewhere else when the kids are over, at a minimum....

I wasn't saying you are looking for a fight. Did anybody else? I was honestly curious about the safety measures to take if it was all loaded and ready to go. Out at a campsite you don't have as many options as you would at home. BTW, I know my dad never knew that I knew he had a loaded pistol in his top left dresser drawer under some hankerchiefs. He thought it was out of reach, heh, heh. Just sayin'.

I'm curious what safety measures you take with a gun and kids around on a camping trip? I presume it's loaded and you have easy access to it.

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The MU/KU rivalry is one of the good things about sports in a time when so much is not-so-good. I don't know what the actual quote from Self is, but it doesn't really amount to much in the grand scheme anyway. But, there is a sense that the rivalry got flushed only because there was money to be made elsewhere. Not because of an inevitable meltdown of the Big 12, not because SEC and MU are such a good fit. That grates on a lot of folks, especially sentimental old farts like myself. It's natural for the one left behind to feel jilted, just like it's natural for the one that left to thumb their nose. Missouri and Kansas Civil War roots are real, and an underpinning of the rivalry -- not something ESPN recently thought of or even just revived. It's not daily talk, but it's in the psyche of people around here, even if it's mostly a regional thing. The border wars prior to the Civil War were real, bloody and demonstrated the worst in mankind -- on both sides. Around here (KC) and Lawrence, there are a number of historical sites where the 'Bleeding Kansas' battles took place in the years leading up to the Civil War. Lawrence was sacked and burned of course, but there's also the battles of Osawatomie, Black Jack, Wakarusa and Marais des Cynges. The Kansas/Nebraska Act was the spark, Kansas' plan to enter the Union as a free state started things rolling, the border wars began and were a main cause of the war. That's important history, and KU's 'Jayhawk' is a constant reminder of that history. Class dismissed

Welcome David. Sounds like a great plan you've got there with the kids. Lots of good info here for the asking.

You seriously carry a gun when you fish? Dang, I guess I'm gonna have to carry too then. Just to make it nice and even.

Alright, I'm giving you a pass. So, do you tie professionally then?

Dude. I see that roll of TP sitting there on the left side in the first picture. Before I give you any suggestions on organization, I think you need to address that My tying area is multi-purpose. Right now it's a combination of seed-starting and rod-building messes.

OK...now I'm sure how they compare price-wise. Looks like $160 for the new Regal Traveller and $195 for the Renzetti. I think my Traveler was just over a hundo when I got it about 15 years ago.