ness

Oh, and here's a coupla quotes from some dude in Nebraska that seems to know what he's doing: "Buy companies with strong histories of profitability and with a dominant business franchise." "Unless you can watch your stock holding decline by 50% without becoming panic-stricken, you should not be in the stock market." "Lethargy, bordering on sloth should remain the cornerstone of an investment style." I've never felt the average Joe with a computer had very good odds of winning though trading stocks. But, not everybody looses, right? And, I'm not saying you're just average, Phil.

Kinda depends on the stock. If it's actively traded, you'll be able to execute immediately. If you're dabbling in lightly traded stock -- and I mean really lightly traded -- you may have to wait. There's a couple ways to do a trade: a 'market order' means you just buy or sell it at the best price the dealer can get you at that time. Or, you can request a 'limit order', and set the price you're willing to pay or receive. Then, depending on how the price moves, you may, or may not, get your trade done.

No personal experience on the back country camping. I'm sure a call to NPS out there would yield some good information for you, including permits and availability.

The bears ate them.

Those accusations are a bit strong. I haven't seen any evidence of what you're talking about here on OAF, and even if I had, I've been around long enough to know that sometimes that's just how things work. It's always best to make up your own mind, and not put too much stock in what you hear other folks saying. Not sure what your beef with Allen equipment is. I don't see a lot of talk about the quality of the stuff, just gripes about their business plan, where it's from, how it can be had for less $, etc. I'd be more interested in knowing how well it works; I can filter out the rest pretty easily. BTW, claiming a $100 list price and a special $50 discounted price isn't exactly a new idea, and it's not dishonest either. It tugs at that part of us that wants to get a deal. Some folks are more susceptible to that than others are.

Gaspergoo? ness learned something today.

I got the first row: Ted Kazinski, Roger Penske, Laffit Pincay Jr., Reggie Jackson, Chi Chi Rodriguez.

Ain't nothing in that picture looks real to me...

Bill -- maybe change your voice mail to say don't leave a message, call the lodge (and work in a dig on Verizon too)? And turn off the phone? Phil's right -- texting is a great way to communicate. Better than e-mail in a lot of ways. I find myself doing it more and more. But, if I was out with a guide and he was texting all the time (or anything else but catering to my every whim ), I'd wouldn't really care for it. To me it's not just bad guiding, it's bad manners.

I've only fished with trout guides, and none of them ever fished though I have suggested it on a few occasions. The guide's job is to get you into fish, help you catch them and take care of you. If his fishing in any way helps you -- through demonstrating a technique, or clarifying something he's trying to show you, I think that's within the parameters of the job. If he's fishing because he wants to catch fish, he's fishing, not guiding. I think a top guide would sorta 'rise above' the temptation to fish, and reinforce with the client that it's HIS day on the water. I suspect that would be universally appreciated by clients, translate into bigger tips at the end of the day, and make for better word-of-mouth advertising for future business. Snagged -- that guy wasn't a guide. He was a guy charging people for boat rides.

Cool shot and video, Brian. I still need to get my boys down there and have you show them how to fish the NFOW, but the calendar this spring has been brutal. And it sucks. Keep 'em coming!

Tobacco Hills up near Platte City might be a possibility. I've never fished it -- it's on the 'sometime I gotta try that' list. Smallish lake, managed for bluegill by MDC. There's always golf course night fishing too.

Wall Street Journal article this morning

Licks taken, lesson learned, gear replaced. I'm movin' on.

Yeah -- stay left at the #$%^&&* Horseshoe.

Alright, alright. Let's not pile on here. I gotta admit, my first reaction was... huh? But, when you're typing on a forum, it's not always best to go with your first reaction, if you know what I mean. So, I gave it some thought, and then some more -- trying to see it more from OTF's viewpoint. Anyway, I'm a small stream kinda guy, and landing a 3-pound fish of any kind would be a thrill -- I'm human and get excited about stuff too. And I'm also the kind of guy that likes to avoid the crowds and soak it all in. So, somebody whoopin' and hollerin' about catching a fish wouldn't be real high on my list of sounds I'd like to hear when I'm in the great outdoors. So, I can see where OFF may have bristled a bit at all that. So let's no pick nits over his choice of words, or call him on the carpet about his avatar. I think we all can relate, in some way, to what he's saying. We all jerk fish out of the water by the jaw, and that can't feel too good. But, we've all made the decision to do it, and we're doing it within our comfort zone. If OTF is a little less comfortable than you, then so be it. I can understand it. If anything good comes from this thread, I hope it's that folks think a little about what they're doing out there.

Hope we can keep this civil... Here's a no-nonsense site to keep track of what's been promised, spent and paid back.

If you have an interest in catching a native brookie, go up high in the park. PM me if you'd like some specific recommendations.

I'm having a helluva time following this thread. How'd this one go wrong? Phil -- can you give me permission, temporary of course, to do a little editing? I could have this cleaned up in no time.

I did something similar -- also in RMNP PaolaCat: I was walking along a trail just up from the stream, and caught my foot under a root. Went down hard and fast; I didn't get a hand out to break the fall at all. Landed face first in a nice soft mossy place. Right above my head was a rock. I just got lucky.

Hey Solus, If you're looking for good information about fishing Roaring River, Tim's program should be just what you're looking for.

Not a Taney expert, by any means, but from what I've read this is a real possibility. I would think the high water flows would disturb redds to some degree too, but I know there's in-stream reproduction of browns in AR tailwaters.

Here's a photo of a parr-marked fish: The purplish vertical blobs are parr marks -- found on young rainbows.

Yeah -- that's my kinda fishing right there, Mark. Good report, and don't give any clues here -- just PM me

Well, dayum. You made me get out my Behnke book. Oncorhynchus mykiss is the genus/species for rainbow, steelhead and redbands (i.e., they're the same fish, almost). There are a number of recognized subspecies, generally grouped as follows: 1. Coastal rainbows CA/OR/WA/Canada/AK (O.m. irideus) some are anadromous (spend time in the ocean; return and spawn in streams) and known as Steelhead 2. Redbands of Columbia & Fraser rivers NV/OR/WA/ID & Canada (O.m. gardineri), some are anadromous and known as Redband steelhead 3. Redbands of parts of northern Great Basin and upper Klamath Lake basin CA/NV/OR (O.m. newberrii) 4. Redbands of northern Sacramento River basin CA (O.m. stonei) this includes the McCloud river 5. 3 supspecies native to Kern River basin: Golden Trout Creek Golden Trout (O.m. auguabonita), Kern River Rainbow (O.m. gilberti), Little Kern River Golden (O.m. whitei). The 'Goldens' don't have a pronounced 'red band', more like a thinner stripe, along with different coloration -- kinda golden. 6. Rainbow-like trout native to 3 river basins in Mexico that aren't officially subspecies. The ones designated 'redband' (2, 3, 4) have the familiar red band (doh!) and are the primary ancestor for all our fish in MO. McCloud River Rainbows aren't a subspecies, just part of the O.m. stonei subspecies in #4. McCloud is an 'origin', not a subspecies. We're not 100% sure the Crane rainbows aren't mutts either. It's just that there were no recorded stockings, so it's assumed they're 'pure'. Even more so than the fish in the McCloud River, which has had documented introductions of other strains. Are they special? You bet. Are they pure? Who knows for sure, but it doesn't matter in the end, right? All our hatchery fish are mutts. All of them. 'Shasta', 'Columbia', 'Missouri', 'Missouri Arlee', whatever -- they are all mutts. There have been all kinds of things mixed together, including Steelhead, Crane 'McClouds', whatever. They've been selectively bred to make better hatchery and fishing-fish (spawn at the right time, grow fast, disease resistant, whatever). So, don't make too much of the name they call them at the hatchery. That's more marketing than science. Brightly-colored alone doesn't really mean anything, just like muted colors don't. Anybody who's fished Crane has likely caught a beautifully-colored fish and a silvery one too -- often on the same trip. And, we've all caught brightly-colored fish right out of the parks, right along with the dull-gray variety. Season matters, diet matters, time in stream matters, and habitat matters. What the hatchery guy calls it -- doesn't matter. So, that's the latest science. And it's not set in stone or absolutely precise. The scientific community is constantly looking at all this, adding or subtracting subspecies, studying strains, whatever. As a matter of fact, rainbow trout were grouped in the Salmo genus up until the 1980's (which includes salmon and brown trout), then were moved over to the Oncorhynchus genus. And lastly, the trout around here commonly referred to as Golden Trout aren't technically that -- that name is reserved for the two subspecies in #5: O.m. gardineri and whitei. They're just another mutt that's been selectively bred to look putrid. They're not albino. Phew! Test Friday.