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This is not quite right. The enabling law ; The stated purpose of the newly created ONSR was: For the purpose of conservation and interpreting unique scenic and other natural values and objects of historic interest, including preservation of portions of the Current River and Jacks Fork River in mo. as free flowing streams, preservation of springs and caves, management of wildlife, and provisions for use and enjoyment of the outdoor recreation resources thereof by the people of the United States... Recreational use is equal priority with all other purposes.

Oh man wingnuts? Militants? The MDC is in for state control, hardly wingnuts. You guys are always talking about how screwed up the riverways recreation area has become. Who has managed it for the last 50 yrs?

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MDC salaries, like any other state employee can be found at the MOSOS site under blue book. http://sos.mo.gov/bluebook/2013-2014/

This is from the minutes of the Dent Co. comm. from Mon. We have the best conservation dept in the nation. Dent County Presiding Commissioner Darrell Skiles wanted to salute the Missouri Department of Conservation for the letter they sent to the Ozark National Scenic Riverways by Director Robert Ziehmer. The letter stated that many aspects of the 1984 general management plan had not yet been implemented or enforced by the National Park Service, and the Conservation Department supports the enforcement of the 1984 plan, not the options for the new plan. The Conservation Department also suggests in their letter to organize a working group to develop new management approaches to resolve access and use issues within the Scenic Riverways. The Department of Conservation is also against designation of a wilderness area and any horsepower restrictions within the Scenic Riverways

Thank you for your feedback. I appreciate your point of view but feel you have probably been misinformed about the content of HJR 57 - which would place the Joint Committee on Administrative Rules in our state constitution and set up very limited circumstances for legislative review of administrative rules where there is one of the following: 1. An absence of statutory authority for a rule; 2. A rule that is in conflict with state law; 3. A rule that is so arbitrary and capricious as to create such substantial inequity as to be unreasonably burdensome on persons affected; 4. A rule that is likely to substantially endanger the public health, safety, or welfare; 5. A rule that is excessive because it exceeds the purpose, or is more restrictive than is necessary to carry out the purpose, of the statute granting rulemaking authority, or 6. A substantial change in circumstance has occurred since enactment of the law upon which the proposed rule is based as to result in a conflict between the purpose of the law and the proposed rule, or as to create a substantial danger to public health and welfare. This legislative review is subject to two additional checks. First, a decision by JCAR to invalidate a rule must be approved by 3/5ths of both chambers of the General Assembly. Second, the decision is subject to judicial review - with a de novo standard of review for the first 3 reasons, and a rational basis review standard for reasons 4 through 6. To my knowledge, there isn't a single rule of the Dep't of Conservation that would be in danger of being set-aside as a result of this statute. Contrary to emails you may have received, there's nothing in this provision which would prevent Conservation from regulating hunting seasons. Sincerely, Jay Barnes Got this from the sponsor

http://www.eminencemo.com/missouriwildhorses.html The wild horses are fine, for now. I have shuttled a few of the fellow OA ers here on the upper Current. Holler if you need some help.

He has also introduced a couple of bils on the issue. One concerning moters on the river and one turning control of the riverways over to the state of Missouri. http://jasonsmith.house.gov/media-center/press-releases If he keeps doing things like this he will only get 85% of the vote in Nov.

Wait...huh? I thought there were already too many people down there. You want to make it cheaper and easier for more folks to come down? /s

hey I dont have a jet but I have a bunch of canoes and ill take the beer. At my age I only drink 3 kinds of beer. Bottles , cans and Draught!

I wont put the co rd number up here but shannon county maitains right to the river there. I am sure , tv, if we met we would find more common ground than not. I find it humorous that somehow some new rules will fix every thing when they dont follow the current plan.

Ha ha those jeep guys are sensitive, too. I might have to edit that comment.

The jumping rock is, if we are talking about the same place, is Walter Lipps. It is accessed by Shannon county rd. That rd is on a map i have here from 1946.

That ford is being addressed in the flying w plan, which seems to be dropped at the momment. that camp site is listed as a drive in spot.

The road @ flying is an old ford thats goes over to the old school house. Ive talked with folks who taught there and at parker school house. ah what it must have been like to attend those schools.

Cedar to parker is an abandoned countyrd but is a numbered nps rd. I' with ya on keeping them on the rd. The camp site at big creek is listed as a drive to camp site located near the restored town of cedar grove. Camping is prohibited at tv. I dont see jets above pulltite as a problem. In my 40+ yrs of floating I have seen 2 jets between Pultite and Cedarin season (other than food conditions) I dont think jets should be above cedar And I have only seen 1 up there, just a few years ago.

No I didnt speak at this one. As to the atvs at welch. If you are talking on the hospital side they shoul not be there as that road is closed at Hwy K. Now across from the spring I can legally drive my truck there an atv can ride county rds, too. Shannon county rd k-385 that goes through MDC property . Check out their map "lower Ozarks" for more legal access. The nps says they are not going to close county rds. (they cant).

That is what Bill Black told me had signed in.

I am not an outfitter, i am someone who moved my family and business here after 40 years of coming down here most weekends. We might have some difference of opinion on what is an illegal road, trail or access point, however the current superintendants compendium already addresses most of you above concerns. You may not know that Parker is one of the listed camp spots. Sure would like to meet you next time you are down here and we could compare notes and have a pint of something from Piney River Brewing.

you guys kill me. You came looking for fight? I posted this in the other thread on Jan 11 Remember folks the meetings are for the proposed wilderness area. Comments about the options are being taken on line. They will be there to try to answer questions about the various options but all comments will be on line. by the way the wilderness, by the park service own words, is dead in the water. We made the two hr drive to talk and share with the folks up there. met alot of folks who had never even been here. I have some coming down this weekend for a float. It was a pretty poor showing imho, The nps said about 1000. We had 500 at Eminence (population 550) 200 at Salem and 400 at Van Buren.

The rumor i heard is that the club sierra and nature con folks were going to have a mass showing at the Van Buren meeting, even going as far as bringing their range rovers and prius'(es?) in an attempt to crowd out the limited parking spaces for regular folkwanting their voice to be heard. I'm not kidding either.

Remember folks the meetings are for the proposed wilderness area. Comments about the options are being taken on line. They will be there to try to answer questions about the various options but all comments will be on line. by the way the wilderness, by the park service own words, is dead in the water.

Well that arguement worked on the park service. How do you think we got the Salem and Eminence meetings?

Where were the hearings in Salem KCMO and Jeff when they were having them for the arch?