Be Heard On Regulation Changes

[bigredbirdfan]

Bigredbird, I'm not sure where you got your education at, young feller, but that is where you and Missourians got screwed. Don't speak for me as I can do my own talking and I will tell you I haven't got screwed by the MDC. What kind of person are you to come on here and mean mouth them? You must like to fish and hunt or you wouldn't be on this board.

That is also some pretty sharp talk in your post. Does your mommy know how you are talking on here? As far as the price of tags go, that is sure is some cheap entertainment. And ya know what, I don't have to get my hand stamped or pay to reenter. Just pay once a year and enjoy.

Harvard School of Business...Where else? I notice you don't attempt to repudiate my math on the new revenues they are after. I don't believe this post was about anyone's family so leave dear old mom out. I have a right to be heard just like you tadman and I believe this is wrong in two ways.

1) Should landowners under 80 acres have to pay to hunt on their own land? I think this is B.S. After all it is THEIR darn LAND anyway.

2) With deer populations at almost crisis this is a horrible time to implement this change.

Also. They get an awful lot of our money and how much enforcement of game and fishing laws do you see Tadman? I hardly ever see agents. So yes I have negative things to say about them. To each their own.

[Trout Stalker]

I had to quit hunting, because of no where to go. Land owners that I had rights on sold their land or lease it out. Conservation areas to crowded or don't allow firearms for deer.

Just consider yourself lucky that you have a place to hunt and enjoy it. I would give a $100.00 or a days worth of work for a place to deer hunt close to home, plus pay for my tags, shells, & processing of the meat.

[tadman]

Never had heard of that fancy name school you speak of. They sure didn't teach you any respect or common sense. That explains a lot right there.

I guess we could look at your number 1 you got posted up there any number of ways. I guess you could say that they should have the right to fish any creek or river running through their property. But they don't. Or I guess I shouldn't need to buy tags to hunt MDC land. After all its my land too isn't it? I help pay to purchase and maintain it don't I? I am more than happy to pay.

Anyway, I guess you can bad mouth them all you want. You look pretty stupid doing it though. I guess if you didn't hunt or fish it would make sense. I guess it is the new generations way to do things.

[bigredbirdfan]

Never had heard of that fancy name school you speak of. They sure didn't teach you any respect or common sense. That explains a lot right there.

I guess we could look at your number 1 you got posted up there any number of ways. I guess you could say that they should have the right to fish any creek or river running through their property. But they don't. Or I guess I shouldn't need to buy tags to hunt MDC land. After all its my land too isn't it? I help pay to purchase and maintain it don't I? I am more than happy to pay.

Anyway, I guess you can bad mouth them all you want. You look pretty stupid doing it though. I guess if you didn't hunt or fish it would make sense. I guess it is the new generations way to do things.

I believe use of water is covered under Riparian Rights or something. But you bring up a good point. Since deer populations are at crisis all over the state give each Missourian a free tag since afterall it is all our land that the MDC owns. Great point.

[Guest kevinkirk]

This sounds like you are headed down the KANSAS path to hunting. Our past governor is the wildlife and parks chief and he runs it as his own hunting club. Makes sure his out of state cronies get permits and then yes, the land is almost all leased up. I went to area today and all the parking lots were full, full full. That is no fun and impossible to hunt. Saw Minnesota, Florida, Colorado and Oklahoma tags today and missouri and texas arkansas too yesterday.

So its about over boys and girls. Thats why I want to live near there. SO FAR, you can still fish on the lakes without permission so I guess myhunting may be over. Sad deal. I too will pay to hunt IF i can find a spot.

MAYBE shooting the deer in the little chainlink pens you see on TV is the answer. Or by remote control from your office like they do in texas with the rifle remote controlled. That way you dont lose office time away from work to get a deer and it arrives in nice neat packages from the butcher the next month. So clean and simple.

Do you have pig hunting in Missouri?

How bout arkansas?

What does it cost to go over and hunt the mallards east missouri in the timber.

kk

[brownieman]

No matter what anyone thinks any long time ex employee of the dept. will tell how much they have gone down hill and how corrupt they are...present employees will not speak much for fear of their jobs.

An outdoor writer by the name of Larry Dablemont has been trying to expose the corruption for some time now, our local newspaper(hard for me to believe) has published them. He said he could fill a book with shady deals that have and still do go on with little accountability are are kept very discreet. He speaks of an elderly gentleman who left his land to the dept. with the assumption it would be protected for future generations. Upon his death the dept. was involved in what he stated "a very hush-hush transaction" for 1 million dollars to a development company. The sale was stopped when his colomn brought attention to it, and his heirs became involved.

Countless other transactions like this have taken place. He states one of the most corrupt of these involved a judge in western Mo. now deceased, who actually received a quarter of a million dollars from the MDC and arranged a deal for the dept. to pay the annual taxes on his land forever, a hunting paradise for him, his family and a select group of political cronies. He states the area is not and never has been open to the public, but is open to select members of the MDC.

He also states" if I gave a list of timber sales and land transactions, which I have on my desk it would fill this whole paper page and amount to millions of dollars". By the way, I feel if this man were not speaking the truth by now his butt would have been sued off. I'm sure the big wigs from the dept. cringe about every article he writes.

In short I guess we all have our opinions on what we have seen with the MDC...I assure you some of us have seen much more than others. Myself, I have seen far too much first hand and consider the MDC to be one of the largest fleecing of our tax dollars that exist.

It's shameful to me but the greed factor has kicked in which comes with wealth in so many cases. Call em, write em, go to meetings...good luck because they put up a very nice facade to the general public.

Thanks for the soapbox for a minute.

jmho

bm

[Chief Grey Bear]

Hey there Bman, long time no see. Hope everything is alright your way.

I read Larry's column and for the most part enjoy it. I also have some of his books. I have met him and had pleasant conversations with him. But he is also very bitter towards the MDC because they wouldn't hire him as an agent. I don't know why they wouldn't, but there have been many people that have applied to work for them and don't get hired.

His column reflects that in that he doesn't print all the facts. Only enough to make them look bad in the publics eye. And it works. You can see that right here in this thread. I know you are no fan of theirs either but that is just how it is.

It is very hypocritical of Larry to make is living from the work MDC has done to offer better fishing and hunting and more access to both.

Bigbird - Can you enlighten me on this deer crisis. I have never heard of a deer "crisis" in Missouri. I am not aware of any starvation and massive disease die offs due to too many deer. Now since you are self proclaimed math wiz, Missouri is 68,886 sq miles. There are 640 acres in a sq mile. The estimated population of deer in Missouri is just over 1 million. How many deer per acre is that?

[bigredbirdfan]

Hey there Bman, long time no see. Hope everything is alright your way.

I read Larry's column and for the most part enjoy it. I also have some of his books. I have met him and had pleasant conversations with him. But he is also very bitter towards the MDC because they wouldn't hire him as an agent. I don't know why they wouldn't, but there have been many people that have applied to work for them and don't get hired.

His column reflects that in that he doesn't print all the facts. Only enough to make them look bad in the publics eye. And it works. You can see that right here in this thread. I know you are no fan of theirs either but that is just how it is.

It is very hypocritical of Larry to make is living from the work MDC has done to offer better fishing and hunting and more access to both.

Bigbird - Can you enlighten me on this deer crisis. I have never heard of a deer "crisis" in Missouri. I am not aware of any starvation and massive disease die offs due to too many deer. Now since you are self proclaimed math wiz, Missouri is 68,886 sq miles. There are 640 acres in a sq mile. The estimated population of deer in Missouri is just over 1 million. How many deer per acre is that?

Chief: Do deer congragate, conspire and agree to spread out equally all over the state? I haven't heard about this. I bet Jo Buck really enjoys the plot of land he agreed to in downtown Kansas City where the Convention Center is. And all the other deer who get a lovely Walmart or a Parking lot. Truth is there are too many deer and in some areas of extreme concentration they are even damaging crops, cars and trucks over and over causing property damage and injuring people. Seasons have been extened by your beloved MDC to further control populations and they are currently considering added measures to add further control. "Is" is Is and "Crisis" is Crisis.

[Guest kevinkirk]

I dont know how Missouri does their out of state permits, but in Kansas, they told us for years how the deer population was at dangerous levels and FINALLY convinced enough legislators to allow out of state permits on an unprecedented level. THAT MEANT, less licenses for the residents and a LOT less hunting places as the out of staters drove the landowners to start charging for the right to hunt.

We lost thousands of acres of access to out of state ppl who had the money to chase those big Kansas whitetails. Our record was shot by a guy from Minnesota I believe. So now, the landowners think that every acre of wheat and milo has an elevated value even tho it takes thousands of acres to produce much game.

The deer herds didnt reduce much as the access got so tight that the deer would stay in those tracts of land where only one person was allowed to hunt. We have places there are dozens of deer but only one or two ppl allowed to hunt on it all season.

The answer was to allow 5 doe tags in the middle of winter which I assume helped some. Keeps the locals from hunting the big deer, saving them for paying customers at least. ITs a sad time really for all of the working class ppl who used to hunt. The land that ppl were puting in the Walk In Hunting is being leased up now. People go around looking for the best places and then contact the landowner paying just enough more than the Walk in Hunting pays them. We lost some huge tracts in the last 3 years to that tactic.

Hunting will become a rich mans game if it is not already.

[brownieman]

The old MDC horse has been beat to death...little has changed and probably never will.

The beauty for all of us is when we are enjoying the outdoors that we so often have varied opinions on all differences seem to fade.

This land we cherish so much and the freedoms we have are all possible because of the men and women who have sacrificed their lives defending our freedoms and our way of life.

Our country is struggling now and myself, I would like to thank all who have given in many ways so we may enjoy the lifestyles we are able to live.

No doubt our country has dug itself into a hole which will be challenging to dig out of...I'm just thankful to those who have the character and conviction to try...and most of all those that have given their lives to keep this the most blessed country in the world.

with thanks

bm