A Little Late But Here It Is

[Ranger Z22]

Before this year I was breaking floro line quite a bit, using an improved clinch. This was with Seaguar floro.

For floro line only I have switched to the Eugene Bend knot, and I have got to say what an improvement! Hardly any breakoffs, and as long as you what your line for nicks, this knot in my opinion is the way to go with floro.

z22

[Wayne SW/MO]

This knot is suppose to best the palomar for all three types of lines.

Fish-n-fool knot

[gitnby]

This knot is suppose to best the palomar for all three types of lines.

Fish-n-fool knot

That looks like a good one!

I still use the old "quick knot" on light line. Seems to be pretty similar?

[Wayne SW/MO]

I just recently found this so I have no experience with it, but I'm going to give a good try. I hate the palomar, but not as much as breakoffs.

[Sam]

Hey, jumping subjects again, but I just got back from a good day on Bull Shoals. Because of the discussion here, I took a little time off from crappie and white bass fishing and tried bass fishing with a splitshot rig and circle hook.

It works! I hung a small Green Pumpkin Chompers 2-tail jig on a circle hook just like in that YouTube video above, and fished it off a rocky bank in about 20 feet of water. I caught 4 bass, all short, though one largemouth was 14 1/2". Fishing the splitshot rig with a semi-slack line and letting them run with it a couple of feet, I know the fish were swallowing the soft bait. No matter - the circle hook hooked all four of them right in the corner of the jaw.

I went back to crappie and white bass fishing and had a real good day. Limits.

I'll quit hijacking this thread now. I'm going to look at that knot cited above - I'm using PowerPro line which cuts itself off in a clinch knot, so I've been using the Palomar Knot. I sure hate tying the Palomar, though, especially with any lure that has treble hooks. Maybe this other knot will help.

[gitnby]

Bill - I know they're not really shaped right for a through-the-nose and bury-the-point presentation in a soft bait, but is there any way you could make a Kahle-style circle hook work for that splitshot rig?

The reason I ask - you know I'm not much of a bass fisherman, but every year I like to fish post-spawn in the spring with Senko worms. I hook those wacky-style with a Kahle hook, use no weight and a medium-heavy spinning rig, and cast and let 'em drop down beside stick-ups near spawning areas. I catch and release some big bass that way, around the last couple of weeks of May.

With that presentation you're just watching for the slack line to twitch, then set the hook with a big sideways sweep of the rod. Bass swallow the worm every time that way, and if it wasn't for the circle hook they'd get gut-hooked. With circle hooks, though, it pulls the worm right out of their stomachs and you get a solid hookset through the hard part of the lip every time.

If the circle hooks could be used, somehow, with the splitshot rig - maybe that'd solve the problem?

Sounds like a new product opportunity to me?

A circle hook with a bit of a shank below the eye to hold the worm, lizard, etc?

The tough part would be feeding it on the hook and turning the point back in.

Or how about those hooks with the separate little barbed piece attached to the eye that you stick in the top of the worm? Why couldn't you put that on a circle hook?

[Cody Smith]

Before this year I was breaking floro line quite a bit, using an improved clinch. This was with Seaguar floro.

For floro line only I have switched to the Eugene Bend knot, and I have got to say what an improvement! Hardly any breakoffs, and as long as you what your line for nicks, this knot in my opinion is the way to go with floro.

z22

Hey Guys, I don't normally chime in here on the Trock threads but if you are fishing Fluoro and not tying the Eugene Bend not you are in trouble. This is the ONLY not that will not break by cutting into itself on a hard or pull hook set. U HAVE TO USE THE EUGENE BEND KNOT with Fluoro~

[Wayne SW/MO]

Hey Guys, I don't normally chime in here on the Trock threads but if you are fishing Fluoro and not tying the Eugene Bend not you are in trouble. This is the ONLY not that will not break by cutting into itself on a hard or pull hook set. U HAVE TO USE THE EUGENE BEND KNOT with Fluoro~

Not according to their test. Eventually they all fell to the Fish-N-Fool knot.

"The Miller knot beat the Eugene Bend in the nylon mono and fluoro categories, and was within four-hundredths of a pound when the two were compared with braided line.

During tests with fluorocarbon line the Miller averaged 15.5 pounds; the Eugene Bend came in at 14.64. With nylon, the Miller had a 20.13-pound average break strength while the Eugene Bend offered a 17.78-pound average. When tied with braid the Miller knot broke at an average of 15.66 pounds, while the Eugene Bend averaged 15.7 pounds.

Despite its slightly higher difficulty factor, the Miller knot got the nod and will face the popular San Diego Jam knot in the next edition of Knot Wars."

[Cody Smith]

Thanks for the tidbit Wayne....I've never tried the Miller knot, since i have been tying the EB knot I have yet to have a single knot failure. I only use this knot with Fluoro and the ease of tying along with the experience I've had while using it does not justify me changing to any other knot when looking at Fluoro. If you don't mind me asking, would u forward me a copy of the link where you got that article that compared the two?

Many Thanks~

[gitnby]

Just looked up the Eugene Bend knot!

Duh!

It is the same one that I've been tying for years!

We always just called it the "quick knot"?