The Obama Administration's Change

[eric1978]

The big beef, as I understand it, isn't the concept, but the the fact that the committee will not let sport fishermen have any input. People can say what they want, but if that's true its certainly not the way its normally done in this country.

A comment was made that its simply big business complaining, but if Shimano and the others aren't selling reels, its probably because we aren't fishing much.

Quote from the report:

"III. Public Engagement

The Task Force initiated a public engagement process throughout the first 90-day period to receive input for consideration as it developed this interim report. This builds on the comprehensive reports of the U.S. Commission on Ocean Policy and the Pew Oceans Commission, which were based on significant scientific, public, and stakeholder input. CEQ, on behalf of the Task Force, organized and hosted twenty-four expert roundtables to hear from a broad range of stakeholders and interest groups. The roundtables included representatives from sectors including energy, conservation, fishing, transportation, agriculture, human health, State, tribal, and local governments, ports, recreational boating, business, and national and homeland security. Several Task Force or Working Committee members attended each roundtable."

Sorry Wayne, but you should read stuff before you jump to conclusions. The government is not out to take away your liberties, regardless of what Glenn Beck says.

[hoglaw]

I have not read it.

I may be way off but supposing the feds want to put restrictions on fishing on lakes and rivers in the US. Could they or is that overstepping their bounds on states? OR would the feds restrict waters that are controlled by feds, like the Corp?

Corp lakes. Buffalo River.

Again, I could be way off. I honestly think any suggestion any committee makes about restricting fishing in this country would be met by so much opposition that it would be almost laughable to think they would actually do something.

Just give it some time... and watch it closely.

Under the commerce clause, the feds can regulate the channels and instrumentalities of inter-state commerce. Navigable waterways are undoubtedly channels of interstate commerce, but it might be argued that small waterways are involved in interstate commerce as well...particularly where tourism is concerned. Obviously regulation of the national parks falls under this umbrella as well.

[Wayne SW/MO]

Sorry Wayne, but you should read stuff before you jump to conclusions.

No I didn't jump to conclusions, I simply quoted what I've read. I also have no idea if Glen Beck has addressed this or not.

" Despite both a face-to-face meeting between representatives of recreational anglers and the Council on Environmental Quality (the lead federal agency for the task force), and a follow-up with written comments in the initial phase of the process, none of the comments from the recreational community were incorporated in the interim report. And there doesn't appear to be any intention of doing so. As an angler, that should be both frustrating and alarming."

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[Guest]

I totally agree with Wayne SW/MO on this one, if they aren't incorporating recreational angling into the planning process they are definitely going to step on a few toes. Recreational fishing is big business, so they will be met with a LOT of opposition from the weekend fisherman to CEO's of the large tackle companies.

I don't mind if they close certain ecologically and scientifically relevant places, as long as those are plenty of other areas to access. Say for example (speculating here), scientific studies determined spring branch habitat is critical for the survival of the hellbender (look it up if you haven't heard of it). Pretty much every major spring in Missouri has a trout park or hatchery on it, so to save that species we would need to eliminate the trout park and return the spring branch to it's original state. Obviously this would be met with TONS of opposition, people make they're living from the trout parks, and lots of people like to go to them. So from one view we would be eliminating a non-native species and restoring a one of a kind habitat to it's original state while protecting a very rare and unique species. On the other hand we wouldn't be able to catch trout in that area anymore, and there would be a ton of PO'd people who would be out of a job and wouldn't get to fish in the trout park anymore. But there are hundreds of miles of trout water in the state along with tailwaters and stocking programs for the urban areas, so there will always be trout to catch. I for one would rather have it the way it once was, rather than a trout park.

[Chief Grey Bear]

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That looked like it was written by the fishing branch of the NRA. I really liked that after reading all of that propaganda, there was convenient link to join B.A.S.S. How ironic.

[Wayne SW/MO]

That looked like it was written by the fishing branch of the NRA. I really liked that after reading all of that propaganda, there was convenient link to join B.A.S.S. How ironic.

So you believe their interest is illegitimate? I'm still not sure why some are so sensitive to the fact that Obama initiated the task force. There doesn't seem to be much, if any, opposition to the goal he seems to have been seeking. The manner in which the Task force is moving is where the rubber is meeting the road.

I've been a member of BASS and the NRA off and on over the years and I believe it was money well spent considering the voice it gave me protecting my outdoor recreation opportunities. I often criticize the MDC, but that doesn't mean I don't think they do an outstanding job overall. If our interest aren't lobbied by organizations that equal those working against our interest, we're in trouble when it comes to our outdoor recreation.

[eric1978]

That looked like it was written by the fishing branch of the NRA. I really liked that after reading all of that propaganda, there was convenient link to join B.A.S.S. How ironic.

Wow, Chief, we completely agree at last. Anything that alarmist makes me question the motive, and I think you nailed it.

I'm dropping out of this issue now. I know it's considered a conservation issue, but it's just too political for me to discuss on this forum. I've thrown in my two cents. See you guys in other threads.

[ozark trout fisher]

Quote from the report:

The government is not out to take away your liberties, regardless of what Glenn Beck says.

I couldn't have said it better myself.....

I'm tired of people trying to make me think things that either they know to be untrue, or just don't know enough about to make an accurate statement. Most of the complaints against this have been based on false claims (ie the person didn't read the report, or read it wrong), as several other folks have pointed out here.

[Phil Lilley]

What's Glenn Beck got to do with this?

[brownieman]

My concern is the word 'Task Force'.

I have a considerable amount of experience when it comes to task forces and related matters.

From what I have experienced, (example here) when they deem some critter to be on the endangered list leads to a task force being created to study the issue. It's a shame but from my experience they study alright, nothing positive seems to come from it (with the exception of a nice looking evaluation and results on paper) as far as any action actually being taken, you know, someone actually doing something to fix or help the problem just doesn't seem to happen.

If it's deemed endangered with the possibility of being extinct...when it comes to task forces they have meetings at Tan Tara, public input meetings, etc. they study it alright, they study it till it becomes extinct and little is actually done to save the species in question as far as anyone sticking a shovel in the ground if you know what I'm saying here.

It can all be made to look however they want it to on paper...bottom line is they do as they please and it all can be a facade to the general public. IMHO it all comes down to money...seems to be such a greed driven world these days and money and power always seem to come out on top.

Beleive me, I wish I were totally wrong and very well could be but from the things I have experienced, well... I just don't know anymore.

I'm neither the sharpest or the dullest knife in the drawer but I wish sometimes I were just downright dumb ( and depending on who you're talking to very well could well be, lol )...maybe things wouldn't bother me as much.

I really don't think any of us will know till it's all said and done, then whether we like it or not we'll just have to live with it.

Like I said, this is all just my opinion and that's the only thing I know for sure that no matter what happens will never get taken away from me.

later on

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