Mdc Meeting On Trout Habitat

[brownieman]

I did not go to the meeting.

Because I have had it up to here with MDC.

In my opinion, its been all false promises. It started with 6 parts per million... ugh

Whatever happened with the minimum flow study ? Where did that get us ?

This river and those who control it are not fishing it.

So it's a moot point now.

I would prefer to have a better outlook.. but this is the real deal..............

We all have our opinions depending on what each of us has seen...IMO Brian you are just touching the tip of the iceburg. Those 'In Charge' so to speak of specific waterways do not spend enouph time on what they are supposed to be in charge of...a couple of studies a year, a shocking, task forces, special commitees, public meetings (IMO a total facade), bioligists invaluable input, etc...

You said 6 ppm...that's about how much oil it takes to keep a well run Propoganda Machine oiled, lol.

All of our opinions come from things we have seen and experienced...this forum shows that each of us have sure seen many different things...on such matters I feel we should just agree to disagree and move on.

Getting seriously aggrevated about each others opinions to me just isn't right...I for one don't care what anyone thinks and hope I am viewed the same as long as nobody is too pushy with their opinions.

I don't mind anyones opinions as long as they are respectful...I'll be the first to aknowledge there are many things I don't know...have probably forgot more than I ever knew, that darn CRS stuff, lol.

Brian, maybe your eyes are seeing through the smoke screen a little...JMO but it is a very nice expensive smoke screen.

Our burning desire to control mother nature itself has been destroying natures way of creating natural habitat for many many years. Mankinds attempts to change or control are doing little more than killing what's left of 'Mother Nature', she needs help and in most cases all I see is talk...the direction we are headed is just flat talking everything to death. IMO this is also the real deal.

Sorry to get off topic...couldn't resist, lol

later on

[laker67]

They want to add the rocks, and structure.

A nice piece of "structure" could be a spillway or roller dam at about 703 elevation. Located somewhere in the vicinity of #4 outlet. That would give us our deeper water. On second thought, a roller dam would be too much of a hazard for wading fishermen. A spillway would be the only option.

[Phil Lilley]

I suggested a small spillway years ago but I suggested it be above #2. They said the Corp would be against anything that would raise the level of Taney and cause any "back head pressure" (not sure if that's the right term) which raising the level there would. It's putting pressure on the turbines on the backside so they have to push alittle harder to release water which I understand that concept.

I rise in the level of Taney below #4 or may be rocking chair might be ok. But the water above it would be alittle deeper and will not have much current at all. We'd lose some of the moving water below rebar - maybe. Would gain alot of moving water below the spillway and move alot of anglers down there which is what MDC wants to do.

Building a spillway would probably have to be a separate project though. It would take alot more funds and time to plan than they're think about on this time around. Not sure.

[Terry Beeson]

I haven't read this "in depth" but those of you on John Wilson's board will know that this type of work has been done below BSD. At the urging of several folks, there were a couple of well known guides in the area brought in to help make decisions on how this should be done. I see the same thing here to assure the benefits are spread to most (can't please everyone that's for sure...)

With that said, I admire MDC for this step in getting feedback from the public. I hope that this works out and feel the Taney experts are certainly at work here with this brainstorming.

Phil... thanks for this thread and your involvement...

My only wish is for one of those boulders to have my name on it reserved for me to rest on during long fishing sessions... Other than that, you guys are doing a fine job...

[drew03cmc]

This post will probably be met with angst from some from the Taneycomo area, but here it goes.

Instead of adding "habitat" to a lake that is overstocked with trout that are incapable of sustaining themselves, why doesn't the MDC spend their sportfish restoration funds on helping native species that have been displaced by stocked fish, or restoring a native species to a water where they have been extirpated? No, the MDC sees dollar signs rather than what is best for a fishery or for a state from a fishery standpoint. The state could, or should, depending upon your viewpoint, spend their money on native species that are facing hardships due to the degradation of habitat or invasive species.

MDC seems to favor the cash cow trout above and beyond those native species like black bass, catfish, walleye, etc.

[Gatorjet]

This post will probably be met with angst from some from the Taneycomo area, but here it goes.

Instead of adding "habitat" to a lake that is overstocked with trout that are incapable of sustaining themselves, why doesn't the MDC spend their sportfish restoration funds on helping native species that have been displaced by stocked fish, or restoring a native species to a water where they have been extirpated? No, the MDC sees dollar signs rather than what is best for a fishery or for a state from a fishery standpoint. The state could, or should, depending upon your viewpoint, spend their money on native species that are facing hardships due to the degradation of habitat or invasive species.

MDC seems to favor the cash cow trout above and beyond those native species like black bass, catfish, walleye, etc.

Interesting that someone from Kansas is so concerned how the MISSOURI Department of Conservation spends Missouri tax dollars! As far as Taneycomo goes, when Table Rock was built, the cold water coming into Taney made it possible for us to have a great Trout fishery, and I for one am glad of it.

[drew03cmc]

You speak before you know anything. I am from Missouri, born and bred, will be moving back. I still pay personal property tax in Missouri, buy tackle in Missouri, buy licenses in Missouri, yet, my tax dollars mean dung to you? Tough. Taneycomo is a farce. It is a hatchery sustained trout fishery with little to no natural reproduction, not much different than a trout park. This comparison is warranted due to crowds, density of stocking, average size of fish and darn near size of fish. The parks all hold fish over ten pounds, and as has been displayed, Bennett and Roaring River hold fish over 15. It is a glorified fish tank with hatchery fish in it.

I know it fishes well, however, it does not get as much national press as the White River tailwaters in Arkansas, which do have self sustaining brown trout, the San Juan in New Mexico, which holds some naturally reproducing trout or even the Dream Stream in Colorado. Why is this? It is an artificially sustained fishery. Any sportsman worth their salty craws appreciates self sustaining quarry more than something artificial. Is hunting stocked quail like hunting the native, wild quail?

It appears that the state of Missouri, has blinded you to the value of native species and natural settings. Go chase a creek born smallmouth and tell me that trout are the more sporting species.

[drew03cmc]

Smallmouth have in the past, and still do use the spring branches of our trout parks, due to either warmer or cooler water through times in the year. Missouri had native walleye in the White River, where Taney is now. The population in Taneycomo has gone to the toilet, along with the smallmouth population. Those are two species that have been displaced from their natural homes, yet, the state, does not manage or stock them. I guess it all depends upon what you want to fish for and where you wish to do it.

[Phil Lilley]

I'm going to nip this in the bud.

This thread was created for comments regarding habitat work on Taneycomo that IS going to happen, regardless of your opinions on whether it should or shouldn't happen, whether you like MDC or not.

IF you want to start ANOTHER thread to discuss native vs non native species AGAIN or just want to reopen one of the many threads already started . go ahead. But any more comments in this direction will be deleted, not because I don't agree with them but because it is off subject.

[drew03cmc]

Phil, in my original post, I commented on that the spending of that money on this fishery, could be better allocated, but that was, of course, taken as me slamming the Taneycomo fishery. That was not my intention, but, it was taken that way.