Rainbow Spawn Alert!

[ozark trout fisher]

I would prefer "stream bred" over "wild". How many miles in the blue ribbon section, and how many rainbows over 8 inches?

Honestly, I think asking how many over 8" is kinda missing the point when your fishing for streambred trout. When I'm after wild (yes, I said wild) rainbows, I'm looking for a beautiful, colored up little trout, not a trophy.

With that said, based on pictures I've seen, I don't think there are any shortages of big fish in the NFoW.

Personally, I like Brian Wise's definition. Makes since

[kdan]

I haven't figured out how to add Brians picture to my reply.

But in reply>>>> AGREED!!

Beautiful!! Nuff said.

[Snow Fly]

Brian:

The picture of the Brown looks a lot like the one Chris Conant caught on the NFOW at the Falls on March 2, 2009. I was lucky enough to be along for the trip and had the pleasure to net his fish.......it was an exciting experience for all of us.

[john19]

I do understand that everyone is entitled to their opinion so this is mine.

Wild vs. Stream bred I am with Laker on this one.

I can not understand how people can say they are wild.

The only places where there are true wild rainbows are places like Russia and Alaska. Those are true WILD TROUT. I have fished NFOW and I have also fished over in Russia and have lived in Alaska, these fish are no comparison to the wild trout of these places, but it is what you make it and the NFOW has come long way in the past 20 years.

Wild to me and a lot of people is no intervention of the man if they survive they survive if not they go extinct. Trout are not native to the Ozarks, so this makes them stream bred. Just because they spawn in the river does not make them wild I am sure we can see trout spawning in our State Parks does this make them wild nope just confused where the race way is located.

Last time I checked with the MDC they are stocking Browns in the river who's to say a few rainbows get mixed in?

Now that I have thought about it I have caught plenty of Rainbows in MO. Largest Trout Park releasing eggs (TANEYCOMO) Yep I said it thats what it is put and take or Grow what ever you want to call it so I guess they are wild too..

The only true way to check would be to do a DNA test on them to see what hatchery they come form and when they come from.

[ness]

John, I think your confusing the concepts of wild and native.

I didn't want to have to go to the dictionary, but ...

Wild:

–adjective

1. living in a state of nature; not tamed or domesticated: a wild animal; wild geese.

2. growing or produced without cultivation or the care of humans, as plants, flowers, fruit, or honey: wild cherries.

Native:

–adjective

1. being the place or environment in which a person was born or a thing came into being: one's native land.

2. belonging by birth to a people regarded as indigenous to a certain place, esp. a preliterate people: Native guides accompanied the expedition through the rain forest.

A lot of folks use the terms interchangeably, but they're different. Wild means they've been out of the hatchery long enough to adapt to their environment, i.e. learned to find food and avoid predators. The term is commonly used when describing these trout (NFOW rainbows) because they behave differently than trout fresh from the stocking truck. And, that's a distinction that's important enough to warrant being called 'wild'.

I use the term stream bred too -- it's a little more specific than wild. But wild is wild, and native doesn't fit any trout swimming around in the midwest.

As to your DNA comment -- well, there have been DNA studies done, on Crane rainbows at least, and they're pretty confident there's no 'stocker' in them. They're extra special in my book.

Again, rainbows in NFOW, BSC, Mill, Crane, etc. are wild -- by definition.

[Brian Wise]

We tend to go through the whole "Well there 'could' be some rainbows in with the browns when they stock them" every so often. Honestly, not being "pissy" or anything but why do we insist on taking what is a great wild trout stream and trying to knock it down a notch. I realize more than one person has completely had their hat handed right back to them on this stream....personal vendetta? I have been lucky enough to guide people from 30+ states and 10+ different countries over the last almost 10 years of guiding and all but one group of fisherman (that ONE group is a crazy story and I'll tell you if you want ) has really thought a lot of the river after the day was over....even if fishing wasn't that good.

Gene testing actually has been done on the rainbows here. Although we all know they were hatchery fish until the 60's the strain we have in the river are genetically the closest to Crane Creek rainbows than any other stream. Now don't go taking me wrong, I am NOT saying these fish are genetically pure by any means but just so you know gene testing has been done...they are wild/streamborn/whatever and there has NEVER been anyone try to claim they were Native.

Lesson over...any questions?

Brian

[Micheal Kyle]

This has become a very interesting thread.

I love how it was a simple FWI.

I can defiantly see both sides of the story.

I just wonder can we really put Crane Creek into the same category as NFOW.

Yes it has trout in it, I wonder when the last time it was stocked?

I think that there are a lot of technicality's out there that exist with each stream.

If the trout in the NFOW are wild because they spawn and have adapted to survive then the Browns in the White must be wild too. They spawn and have adapted to live in the tail water. Yes they still stock Browns but there are spots where the Browns come to spawn every year and do so successfully.

The AGF have taken a stand to make it better they close the dam area so that this may take place. Plus they increased the length limit on the Browns. One thing I would say if these are truly wild trout in the NFOW and Crane Creek why does the MDC not get involved and close this to fishing during the spawn time, so that they can spawn and continue there gene pool.

Why would they put the state parks higher on the pole and close them where they are producing and releasing fish everyday to numbers of tags sold. Seems a little back wards to me.

I think it will depend on what day it is if I call them WILD or Stream Bred

Michael

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[Flysmallie]

That's the biggest problem with this forum. You can't really say anything anymore without somebody jumping your butt and telling you how wrong you are.

There are fish in the river, go catch them if you want.

If these fish are not wild then who is taking care of them?

[Brian Sloss]

A topic that has been taken down a road that I did not expect. Brian, I am glad you mentioned to stay out of the redds. If the trout was hatched in the stream, it is wild in my book and that is what happens in the NFOW.

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