Fly_Guy Posted June 14, 2010 Posted June 14, 2010 To start w/ nuclear fuel is 100x safer and less harmful on the environment that oil. Problem is, people hear 'nuculur' and they panic. Who is to blame? BP - Had no real plan to deal with an oil spill, or plug a deepwater leak. Government - Moved slower than Katrina, and delayed/denied Governor Jindals requests Environmentalists - (ironic) - kept us from drilling in ANWR, and shallow water (where it is much easier to stop a spill). (but probably prevented other disasters...) Who is not to blame? Local and state government - doing what they can with what they have Locals & Volunteers - doing actual work to clean it up. What can we do in the future? the real question (I can see Phil with his finger on the "close topic" button )
eric1978 Posted June 14, 2010 Posted June 14, 2010 Government - Moved slower than Katrina, and delayed/denied Governor Jindals requests You forgot to mention under "Government": Previous administration - backroom deregulation and cronyism at the MMS. Environmentalists - (ironic) - kept us from drilling in ANWR, and shallow water (where it is much easier to stop a spill). If we extracted every drop of oil available from ANWR, we would still be dependant on foreign sources. There is not enough there to become energy independant, so what's the point? Do you really want to see that beautiful place destroyed?
hank franklin Posted June 14, 2010 Posted June 14, 2010 Who is not to blame? Local and state government - doing what they can with what they have Regarding "nucular," Ameren had a plan last year to build a new plant at Callaway. Electric generation by the bucketful and jobs out the wazoo. Republican-led state legislature said no way. Never even got out of committee. End of story.
Fly_Guy Posted June 15, 2010 Posted June 15, 2010 You forgot to mention under "Government": Previous administration - backroom deregulation and cronyism at the MMS. If we extracted every drop of oil available from ANWR, we would still be dependant on foreign sources. There is not enough there to become energy independant, so what's the point? Do you really want to see that beautiful place destroyed? As much as I like blaming the last guy, this is Obamas gig now. Do you honestly think he is any different? (If yes, you are fooling yourself) Destroyed is a bit harsh - damaged certainly - but considering the scope of the damage going on now (with now way to fix it), ANWR drilling would have been better. That is, of course, all hindsightland - the place where Urkle doesn't need glasses, and all of us OA armchair quarterbacks fix problems. Honestly, I have a conflict of interests. I love freedom, but I would also LOVE to see the government start mandating at least 50% of Big Oils profits go to researching alternative, renewable energy. Nuclear is a good transition from coal, but it isn't permanent. I really want to see solar become more effecient in terms of collection and storage. If we can put every Britney Spears song on a ipod the size of a postage stamp, we can certainly create solar powered everything. Its in the process, but needs some of that massive oil money to help with the R&D. Wind energy is ok too - solar and wind. All future cars should be mandated to be topped with a solar panel. Problem is, in a free society, people (the market) makes the calls (and don't people always choose what is best ) Freedom of choice is the best and worst thing a society can be burdened with.
Fly_Guy Posted June 15, 2010 Posted June 15, 2010 Regarding "nucular," Ameren had a plan last year to build a new plant at Callaway. Electric generation by the bucketful and jobs out the wazoo. Republican-led state legislature said no way. Never even got out of committee. End of story. Of course - the repubs will not dare escape big oil. A lot of Dems are in oils pocket as well - Obama himself received a huge chunk of bp change during his election. Nuclear - safer than coal, creates safer jobs (it seriously does), less waste... too bad, big oil says no...
Amish Bill Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 So I assume you guys have already talked to your congresspeople, and let them know you'd be alright with a nuke plant a half mile upwind of your house, right? As A matter of fact...When gas was $4.00 I did call aunt Clair and told her if they found oil in my backyard we should be drilling because this country is run on OIL. As far as the power plant you betcha. As A matter of fact if the government thinks drilling in water is better they can bring out a little derick and drill thruogh the pool Didn't get to hear the speech last night but did hget a few of the highlights, going to lose a few more freedoms maybe but hey we'll probably get a few new tax hikes to counter that. "Life's too short to fish with a dead minner..."
eric1978 Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 Didn't get to hear the speech last night but did hget a few of the highlights, going to lose a few more freedoms maybe but hey we'll probably get a few new tax hikes Yeah, scary stuff. Refresh my memory...which freedoms have we lost so far?
flytyer57 Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 Yeah, scary stuff. Refresh my memory...which freedoms have we lost so far? Certainly not the right to blame Obama for everything from the extinction of the dinosaurs to whats gonna happen in the year 8089. There's a fine line between fishing and sitting there looking stupid.
Fly_Guy Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 Yeah, scary stuff. Refresh my memory...which freedoms have we lost so far? That's the funny part - nothing glaring comes to mind. We may have even gained a few...- at least there isn't an Obama version of the Patriot Act out there yet. I don't agree with a lot of O's policies, but he's not the crazy terrorist everyone thought he was. I do wish he would stop blaming everyone and actually do something to stop the stinking spill though. BP is obviously incompetent - it seems that passage of massive pork in a 1200 page health care bill is more urgent than doing something actually useful and stopping the oil...
flytyer57 Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 I do wish he would stop blaming everyone and actually do something to stop the stinking spill though. BP is obviously incompetent - it seems that passage of massive pork in a 1200 page health care bill is more urgent than doing something actually useful and stopping the oil... This is exactly what I don't get. Obama is a lawyer, not an offshore oil drilling expert. What exactly do you expect him to do? Should he himself be personally responsible for the solution to stopping this spill? If the oil experts can't come up with something, how do you expect a lawyer to? The only thing Obama and any other politician can do is find out who is responsible and attempt to force them to fix it by passing laws to hold them accountable. That is being tried in the congress, but the "Party Of No" keeps blocking any attempt to get anytyhing done while they keep taking donations from the big oil corporations. Don't put the blame for this on Obama. Put the blame where it belongs, on the oil industry. There's a fine line between fishing and sitting there looking stupid.
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