White River Before The Dams

[Wayne SW/MO]

I guess if it's not our land that got stolen by the govenment to be buried under several thousand acres of water, we are ok with it if they dam the river.

As for wind farms, they still look a hell of a lot better than some coal fired plant pouring tons of pollutants into the air every day.

And I'm still not buying the bs about birds being "slaughter"ed by wind turbines.

Huh? The landowners got paid, and in an area that didn't have much of an economy they were glad to get it. Look around, then think about how you would have made a living and fed your kids in these hills, 60 or 70 years ago! Corn doesn't grow on rocks and cattle don't do well in the woods.

As for the birds, you might enlighten yourself with some education on the subject. If you can come up with a better reason for the dead birds and bats under the turbines, please share.

I do think its funny you would compare a coal fired plant with a wind farm, but how about a lake like TR? I'm no fan of coal fired power plants, but we need power and I've yet to see one belching brown smoke. Maybe I just haven't been in the right place. I do think given the fact that we have an almost endless supply of coal and natural gas, we should apply our master of technology to burn coal cleanly and build more Nuclear plants.

The lakes aren't going anywhere, not those like TR because the economic losses would cause something of a revolt. When they were built they were viewed as a great advantage to the areas, and that really hasn't changed. Fortunately there will probably be no more.

[tjulianc]

This is just my own personal preference but I would much rather fish for smallmouth on the White river in a canoe or jon boat, than spend half a fortune on a bass boat to be able to fish in a giant silt trap -whether its Beaver, Table Rock, or Bull Shoals. Its not a question of Table Rock vs. Windmills, its a question of Table Rock Vs. a natural free flowing river with the finest small bass fishing in the country.

I think that the economy the lakes bring into the ozarks, is small compared to other entities (Wal-mart, trucking companies, food industry, education). Every town is different, but few towns are extensively based on the lakes. Holiday Island comes to mind first. I still don't think that the Ozark's economy turned around in the 50s and 60s because the dams were built. A lot more was going on then than just dam building. Sure marinas on the lakes need the lakes to stay in business, but real estate can still do fine without a lake. And there was already a thriving fishing tourism base as seen in the video. It was one of the best in the entire country. I think the economy would of been just fine without building so many dams.

[flytyer57]

Huh? The landowners got paid, and in an area that didn't have much of an economy they were glad to get it. Look around, then think about how you would have made a living and fed your kids in these hills, 60 or 70 years ago! Corn doesn't grow on rocks and cattle don't do well in the woods.

As for the birds, you might enlighten yourself with some education on the subject. If you can come up with a better reason for the dead birds and bats under the turbines, please share.

I do think its funny you would compare a coal fired plant with a wind farm, but how about a lake like TR? I'm no fan of coal fired power plants, but we need power and I've yet to see one belching brown smoke. Maybe I just haven't been in the right place. I do think given the fact that we have an almost endless supply of coal and natural gas, we should apply our master of technology to burn coal cleanly and build more Nuclear plants.

The lakes aren't going anywhere, not those like TR because the economic losses would cause something of a revolt. When they were built they were viewed as a great advantage to the areas, and that really hasn't changed. Fortunately there will probably be no more.

Not all of the landowners were happy to see their land taken from them. A lot of those families were there for decades and didn't want to give up what they had for the price Uncle Sam was paying.

As for the dead birds, you are going to have to prove your statement of dead birds lying around wind turbines. Sure there may be a couple, but go into any urban area and you will see lots of dead birds. Show me the proof that these wind mills are "slauter"ing these birds.

So instead of a wind farm, let's build more coal plants and nuclear power plants. Then you can bitch about the acid rain and the fallout from a nuclear meltdown.

If your only argument about wind turbines is a few dead birds, then you are grossly misinformed and need to stop listening to Glen Beck and Rush for your facts.

[flytyer57]

STOP THE WIND TURBINES

BREAKING NEWS

[Ham]

I'm all for every kind of energy source out there BUT quit running the anti-fox news flag up the pole when Wayne mentions bird deaths from wind farms. There have been lots of stories about it and NOT just in sources that you suppose would be against green energy.

USA Today story- not a conservative source

BBC-not a conservative news source

Another non conservative source

ok?

I know Lots of birds are killed by lots of things. I know they are working on different ways to reduce bird deaths from wind farms. I know you can find just as many sites with spin from green energy proponents downplaying the bird/bat mortality. IMO, you need to allow for the fact that wind turbines are killing a fairly large number of birds.

Just ease up protraying Wayne as unimformed and implying he's biased.

[flytyer57]

I'm all for every kind of energy source out there BUT quit running the anti-fox news flag up the pole when Wayne mentions bird deaths from wind farms. There have been lots of stories about it and NOT just in sources that you suppose would be against green energy.

USA Today story- not a conservative source

BBC-not a conservative news source

Another non conservative source

ok?

I know Lots of birds are killed by lots of things. I know they are working on different ways to reduce bird deaths from wind farms. I know you can find just as many sites with spin from green energy proponents downplaying the bird/bat mortality. IMO, you need to allow for the fact that wind turbines are killing a fairly large number of birds.

Just ease up protraying Wayne as unimformed and implying he's biased.

With all the talk of birds dying from windmills, why is no-one complaining about the number of fish killed by dams every year??????

[Terry Beeson]

... or squirrels electrocuted by power lines / transformers...

[flytyer57]

... or squirrels electrocuted by power lines / transformers...

...or turtles run over by cars...

[Wayne SW/MO]

Not all of the landowners were happy to see their land taken from them. A lot of those families were there for decades and didn't want to give up what they had for the price Uncle Sam was paying.

While you're calling for sources, how about you back this up? There is a lot of the White river watershed that isn't under a lake, yet not that many take advantage of them. Like Chief said, good for us if they want to fish the lakes. If the dams weren't there the White wouldn't be what you think it would be, it would be struggling with civilization just as its tributaries are. People would love it to death just as they're doing so many others.

Flyter, you have a windmill at your place?

[flytyer57]

While you're calling for sources, how about you back this up? There is a lot of the White river watershed that isn't under a lake, yet not that many take advantage of them. Like Chief said, good for us if they want to fish the lakes. If the dams weren't there the White wouldn't be what you think it would be, it would be struggling with civilization just as its tributaries are. People would love it to death just as they're doing so many others.

Flyter, you have a windmill at your place?

I was not here before the dams, and I put up with what is here and that which I cannot change.

No windmills, yet.

I'm all for coal fired plants and nuclear energy as long as we can bury all the coal ash and nuclear waste in YOUR back yard. Sound ok to you?

If your only argument against windmills is a few dead birds, then you are in for a rude awakening. Clean renewable energy is the future, whether you like it or not.