Global Warming Poll

[Tim Smith]

The discussion seems to be headed in a constructive direction. Hopefully re-touching a few points won’t derail that...

Global warming will only last till the next Ice Age, then we will have to do some research to change that also.

That may be true. But if the cyclic theories are correct the next ice age is probably 10,000 years away, approximately the same age as modern civilization. That seems like a long time to wait.

There is a larger point underneath that current climate change debate that because of the size and technical capacity of human populations, we’ll always affect climate. 10,000 years from now (assuming we’re still around and technology and science continue to advance) we may have the capacity to more easily and intentionally affect the climate. We might even be able to offset an ice age...

NO DEBATES PLEASE.

HA!

I believe a discussion on this topic (population growth) to be more fruitful than the eight pages of this thread that preceeded it.

I agree that population growth is a key issue, but it also gets down to the same basic human issues as climate change. It demands that we give up some things (i.e. the 2nd, 3rd or 5th kid).

That has occurred is through draconian laws (China) OR from rising standards of living (the West and some parts of Asia). So far, rising standards of living have meant rising carbon footprints too. Unfortunately, people have given up their 8th kid but opted instead for an 8th cylinder. The humane path at this point seems to be to try to keep our standard of living high but decouple it from dependence on greenhouse gases.

First of all the proponents of policy regarding climate change have been proven as frauds and furthermore they are also usually the ones (investors) in these green companies that stand the most to gain from radical policy regarding enfringement on rights to "freedom" (my definition is my safe V-8 truck able to take me where I want) and "pursuit of happiness" (usually money enables all of this).

First, what policy proponents were proven as frauds? I suspect you mean the East Anglia emails, but those are scientists, not policy makers and they didn’t commit fraud (although they did say some mean and sarcastic things and they didn’t deal with discredited minority views with adequate transparency).

Secondly, where did this paranoia come from about the private sector? What is wrong with an investor making money on an investment? The private sector (yes even green companies) wants active markets and they have nothing to gain by deflating the economy. They want money in your pocket because it makes them wealthy too.

So far in this debate, people have asserted that the government, religion and business are variously out to destroy us all.

Is the basic assumption here that it is human nature to try to destroy the people around you (i.e. the world is out to get us)? Isn't it more logical to think that people just want to live well?

Third. How did you get to a place in your life where you can only be happy if your truck has 8 cylinders? If you could still go where you want on 4 cylinders, why are you so committed to 8?

As soon as scientists figure out how to control the earth's magma, core, volcanic activity and solar radiation I'll glady give up my "freedom" for the cause...until then no thanks.

Is the point here that you have control everything before you can do anything?

You’d never put on a seat belt if that made any sense.

[Fly_Guy]

Reading these threads, I am fully persuaded of one thing. Fishing must be slooooow.

[flytyer57]

Just what is considered normal these days?

I am normal and all the rest of you are insane.

[Zach Bearden]

I figured some would not be able to comprehend the post. Looks like all missed the original Post, NO DEBATES PLEASE.

How in the hell are you going to call ME out on this? I didn't start this, I'm throwing in MY opinion after at least 10 others have before me. I have just as much a right to say what I want as you do. But you're going to call me out on this?

You're awesome, bro.

[Gary Lange]

That may be true. But if the cyclic theories are correct the next ice age is probably 10,000 years away, approximately the same age as modern civilization. That seems like a long time to wait.

I believe that long before this occurs that someone will be born and mature and will create and alternative fuel or motive system that will solve the worlds problems. Can we wait that long. Well we have no choice because I don't see it happening in our lifetime no matter what gets discussed or posted here. It may be 1000 to 10,000 years from now before technology creates the alternative. Then we have to wonder if that pollutes the air also or depletes something that we have very little of.

I think I am going to give some serious thought to buying a canoe so I can float into nowhere and be alone with the Smallmouth Bass.

[gotmuddy]

Who is John Galt?

[gotmuddy]

You ever notice how normal people get tired of stupid signatures after like 2 or 3 days?

they do get annoying....however I am keeping mine so no one forgets what kind of person you are.

[Flysmallie]

they do get annoying....however I am keeping mine so no one forgets what kind of person you are.

Well that's perfect because all it really does is remind people what kind of a person you are.

[stlfisher]

Yeah the signature thing has run its course. Time to let it go.

[bigredbirdfan]

Then I guess you're pro-choice and a supporter of birth control. What a liberal douchebag.

Every time I think I'm out, they pull me back in.

Ha Ha. Yes I am a Pro-Life Conservative. That being said I don't think I have a right to tell others what they should choose. You thought you would get me crawdading on this one didn't you.