Chief Grey Bear Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 Well actually according to GW it was help the stockholders. Weak. Very weak. Chief Grey Bear Living is dangerous to your health Owner Ozark Fishing Expeditions Co-Owner, Chief Executive Product Development Team Jerm Werm Executive Pro Staff Team Agnew Executive Pro Staff Paul Dallas Productions Executive Pro Staff Team Heddon, River Division Chief Primary Consultant Missouri Smallmouth Alliance Executive Vice President Ronnie Moore Outdoors
ozark trout fisher Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 Stoneroller, the fact that I think it is the Democrats now who are doing most of the conservation work doesn't mean I didn't like Teddy Roosevelt-his is a conservation hero, and I believe every liberal (and conservative) who is a conservationist appreciates what he did. But the Republican party during Teddy Roosevelt's day is entirely different from now. The main difference is that many Republican politicians in Teddy Roosevelt's day were conservationists. Now most of them (but that is not to say all of them) belong to the rape and pillage lobby of natural gas, coal, and big oil- and all other corporations and big businesses that don't give a darn about our natural resources. I agree that it should not be a political issue, but the fact of the matter is that most Republican politicians want to put big business before the environment. Am I supposed to look the other way and pretend that is not the case? That said, any conservative, Republican, or Libertarian who is willing to stand on the side of environmentalism and conservation, I am entirely willing consider a friend in this. This is scary. It seems that I am agreeing with Chief Greybear on two controversial threads in a row.
Tim Smith Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 Politics has nothing to do with this discussion. I for one never brought that up. My opposition was about bleeding heart mamby pamby's that can't stand for a tree to get cut, or animal get killed, or a fish to get filleted. And for the record, for the ones that get confused, I enjoy the outdoors as it currently exists. I harvest timber for profit, I hunt for food, I trap for animal control, I fish for food and enjoyment. I take long walks thru nature, study its historical past, and wonder greatly about its future. I fight hard to protect it so my children will enjoy it the same way I have. I despise those who attack the ones that manage our outdoors based on their agenda's. JD, what you're enveiging against here is really a certain kind of urbanism, not liberalism. This 2 dimensional left right debate doesn't accurately describe how conservation or even politics works. Google up some of the most extreme environmentalists like Earth First! and it's founder David Foreman. Republicans. Barry Goldwater Republicans, sir. The Clean Water Act and Clean Air Act and the EPA began under Nixon's signature, and even though it has been Republicans who have gutted it since that time there are plenty of Republican congressmen and congresswomen who have bucked that trend just as there are many (most) Democrats fully understand the need to use natural resources. Where the debate starts to go badly awry is when new things come down the pike that no one has had the time to learn in depth, or it when it becomes clear that individuals will need to give up certain things to keep natural resources intact for humans to enjoy the long term... ...and that's not a political debate. It's a moral one.
RSBreth Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 Rural politics is a nasty business, but as long as there are constituents out in the sticks, it will continue to be a factor. I recommend holding your nose and being thankful for the good things MDC does...and they DO do some good things. I said do do. Fixed it for you there. You ever wonder why I never get in the middle of these? Now go back to grinding your axes...
eric1978 Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 Fixed it for you there. If we had been talking about the Blagojevich case and the corrupt political atmosphere in Chicago, would you have edited the word "urban" out of my post? I doubt it. This was old-fashioned rural pandering, and the changes you made to my post are entirely moot. But if it makes you feel better, then that's fine.
RSBreth Posted January 16, 2011 Posted January 16, 2011 Nah, just saying politics in general is like what you guys are doing here with this thread. The "urban" thing bugging you, I think, is called "projection". ... And ... I'm out.
eric1978 Posted January 17, 2011 Posted January 17, 2011 Nah, just saying politics in general is like what you guys are doing here with this thread. The "urban" thing bugging you, I think, is called "projection". ... And ... I'm out. I live in the suburbs, unfortunately, so I have no reason to defend anything urban.
Chief Grey Bear Posted January 17, 2011 Posted January 17, 2011 This is scary. It seems that I am agreeing with Chief Greybear on two controversial threads in a row. Thats not a bad thing is it???? Chief Grey Bear Living is dangerous to your health Owner Ozark Fishing Expeditions Co-Owner, Chief Executive Product Development Team Jerm Werm Executive Pro Staff Team Agnew Executive Pro Staff Paul Dallas Productions Executive Pro Staff Team Heddon, River Division Chief Primary Consultant Missouri Smallmouth Alliance Executive Vice President Ronnie Moore Outdoors
Gary Lange Posted January 17, 2011 Posted January 17, 2011 I recommend that the Democrat's and the Republican's get together and just go fishing and forget about there differences. Respect your Environment and others right to use it!
flytyer57 Posted January 17, 2011 Posted January 17, 2011 I recommend that the Democrat's and the Republican's get together and just go fishing and forget about there differences. And then what would Rush, Beck, Maddow etc have left to complain about? There's a fine line between fishing and sitting there looking stupid.
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