gonefishin Posted August 1, 2006 Author Posted August 1, 2006 Gonefishin, you asked about the commercial construction. Here is one for you. I heard Paul Harvey this morning talking about Branson considering a monorail of some sort to connect SDC and the major shows on the strip. Is this something new or is it the same story I have heard for about ten years now about Disney coming to town. Kelly Don't have a clue. Rail system from SDC to the shows would probably be a good thing. Eliminate some of the congestion on the roads maybe even eliminate some pollution. Disney...I doubt it especially if we get a Casino in here. I don't like the idea of building and commercializing Taney to death. I would rather be fishin'. "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Benjamin Franklin, 1759
SilverMallard Posted August 1, 2006 Posted August 1, 2006 I believe God gave me free will because He didn't want me to be a robot. So I can choose to accept Him or not; Believe gambling is hurtful to my fellow man or not; Be Pro-Life...or not. I know what scripture teaches and THAT is the final authority in my life. But SilverMallard, I find it offensive when you state what makes or distinguishes a "good" Christian; Or what a "good" Christian should do and to what degree. You state you will vote for an alternative to gambling if one is presented. So you are pro gambling if it's just a yes or no decision? Fortunately for my wife, I am faithful. And it's not based on whether there's a better alternative available. Yeah, a lot of people were offended when Jesus and Paul told them the same kind of stuff. I certainly expect it too. I explained my rationale on the Rockaway gambling proposition quite clearly in the previous post you allude to. It's a bout a hierarchy of competing values. Bottom line: if a large % of families cannot provide for themselves adequately in an area, what kind of "family values" is that? Food, clothing, and shelter: these are the basics. My first duty to my neighbors as a Christian is to care/provide for the physical needs of the needy. Jesus asked his disciples why the people came out to hear the Sermon on the Mount. He asked if it was to see the messiah or hear a prophet or what? After a few wrong answers, he said the people came because they knew he would feed them. In the process, they also got to hear his sermon. Now, the truth of that sermon is far more important in the grand scheme of things than is the picnic was. But Jesus was making a point about human nature: "no one cares what you know until they know that you care." And I don't see gambling as morally wrong. I see EXCESS...lack of moderation and self-control...as the sin. Same way I feel about alcohol, food, exercise, sex, etc. And I think there are FAR more important issues for Christians to focus on in this ole world than morality legislation. Paul said the law brings only death. Romans is an excellent treatise on this subject. I don't believe Christians should be about trying to keep the non-believers from behaving like non-believers. I think we should be about helping them to believe. Then the morality issues will almost take care of themselves. But scripture is very clear: the way you get their attention and convey your good intentions is through meeting people's physical needs. Gov't policies/decisions killed Rockaway Beach. So I believe we have a long-overdue civic MORAL duty to recompensate them for their losses. And, yes, I'd much rather find a means of doing so that had nothing to do with gambling. But that is because I realize the absence of gambling in the area is part of what draws some of our 7 million tourists per year. It is not because I think gambling is evil. gonefishin, I addressed the development issue a couple of times. That djinni is WAY out of the bottle! We're talking about RE-development of downtown Rockaway's waterfront, not new development. Huge difference! SilverMallard "How little do my countrymen know what precious blessings they are in possession of - and which no other people on Earth enjoy." Thomas Jefferson (This disclaimer is to state that any posts of a questionable nature are to be interpreted by the reader at their own peril. The writer of this post in no way supports the claims made in this post, or takes resposibility for their interpretations or uses. It is at the discretion of the reader to wrestle through issues of sarcasm, condescension, snobbery, lunacy, left and or right wing conspiracies, lying, cheating, wisdom, enlightenment, or any form of subterfuge contained herein.)
Root Admin Phil Lilley Posted August 1, 2006 Root Admin Posted August 1, 2006 Gov't policies/decisions killed Rockaway Beach. How?
vacation Posted August 1, 2006 Posted August 1, 2006 Lots of discussion here, but lets keep it proffessional and not so personal. I am in complete agreement with Phil about the Herchands, they are good people and Jack has helped me on certain levels/areas when he didn't have too but did. Attacking them isn't even a rational thought. I can go all day on bible quotes, here is a couple for everyone. Mat 7:5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. Phil 4:8 Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things. Lets keep the focus on Casinos. Isn't the real issue the quality of life, i.e. wages, social aspects(family,low crime, good schools), fishing. Don't blame the employer for your low wages, if you don't like your plite in life, change it. If you always do what you always did, you'll always get what you always got. Is it tought, sure, but that is life.
gonefishin Posted August 1, 2006 Author Posted August 1, 2006 gonefishin, I addressed the development issue a couple of times. That djinni is WAY out of the bottle! We're talking about RE-development of downtown Rockaway's waterfront, not new development. Huge difference! SM: I am in complete disagreement with you in the development/re-development issue. RE-Development would be repairing, rebuilding, updating and/or modernizing existing structures and infastructure. A casino would be brand new commercial construction on the lake therefore, it is new development not re-development. I have no problem with re-development; I am against more major commercial construction on the lake. I would rather be fishin'. "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Benjamin Franklin, 1759
gonefishin Posted August 1, 2006 Author Posted August 1, 2006 Gov't policies/decisions killed Rockaway Beach. How? Government policies sure did not help RB. They failed in managing the trout fishery properly and when it was apparent it was failing the government chose to drag its feet on doing something about it thus causing Taney to go from a world class trout fishery to a so so fishery all of which was bad news for RB. I wont say it was all the governments fault. RB decided not to modernize. They didn't spend any money on re-development and infastructure. That was their decision and it was a bad one. Even if the government had done what they were suppsoed to in managing the trout fishery RB would have been seriously hurt for their decisions. The big boom at SDC and Branson stole a lot of thunder from RB too. In the governments defense they have made some strides in improving the fishery in recent years. It still is not in the same fishery as it was years ago but it is getting better all the time. If the fishing keeps improving at Taney RB is going to miss the boat. They should be cleaning up and fixing up their town and getting ready for the next fishing boom. I would rather be fishin'. "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." Benjamin Franklin, 1759
Wayne SW/MO Posted August 1, 2006 Posted August 1, 2006 They should be cleaning up and fixing up their town and getting ready for the next fishing boom. That takes money, and in the case of RB, money they don't have, so that have to go outside and adjust to what investments outsiders want. If you want to see what I'm talking about visit the Landing, it removed what Branson didn't feel was bringing people in, and they found outside money willing to make a big investment on something they thought would. The Landing is far from the final tally, despite the cheerleading from Vacation. To be successful it has to bring in more than it takes, and I honestly don't think anyone knows the answer to that. The convention centers impact overall won't be known for several years, but if Branson doesn't have the entertainment it requires, it will come and without any voting. Today's release is tomorrows gift to another fisherman.
SilverMallard Posted August 1, 2006 Posted August 1, 2006 Government policies sure did not help RB. They failed in managing the trout fishery properly and when it was apparent it was failing the government chose to drag its feet on doing something about it thus causing Taney to go from a world class trout fishery to a so so fishery all of which was bad news for RB. I wont say it was all the governments fault. RB decided not to modernize. They didn't spend any money on re-development and infastructure. That was their decision and it was a bad one. Even if the government had done what they were suppsoed to in managing the trout fishery RB would have been seriously hurt for their decisions. The big boom at SDC and Branson stole a lot of thunder from RB too. In the governments defense they have made some strides in improving the fishery in recent years. It still is not in the same fishery as it was years ago but it is getting better all the time. If the fishing keeps improving at Taney RB is going to miss the boat. They should be cleaning up and fixing up their town and getting ready for the next fishing boom. Yes, but you're not even going back far enough. Rockaway's demise was really triggered by the construction of Table Rock Dam. Prior to the opening of the dam, Rockaway Beach was a world-class vacation destination. People came from all over the world to partake in the beachfront swimming and recreation and the world reknowned smallmouth bass fishing. Table Rock ruined both. And Rockaway has never been the same since. Now, in the 70's, when the trout were running an average of 5 lbs in Taneycomo, Rockaway had a bit of a rebound. But we have ALL suffered the results of that mismanagement! That's not a problem specific to Rockaway Beach. Add to that all of the gov't decisions (county and state) that have been made in favor of Branson and to the detriment of other nearby communities in more recent years and you can see my point. Finally, tack on Branson's own predatory nature toward the neighboring communities and little ole Rockaway never stood a chance. Funny thing, Phil, but I recall you and I having a very agreeable conversation about this very subject down at the hatchery this summer. SilverMallard "How little do my countrymen know what precious blessings they are in possession of - and which no other people on Earth enjoy." Thomas Jefferson (This disclaimer is to state that any posts of a questionable nature are to be interpreted by the reader at their own peril. The writer of this post in no way supports the claims made in this post, or takes resposibility for their interpretations or uses. It is at the discretion of the reader to wrestle through issues of sarcasm, condescension, snobbery, lunacy, left and or right wing conspiracies, lying, cheating, wisdom, enlightenment, or any form of subterfuge contained herein.)
WebFreeman Posted August 1, 2006 Posted August 1, 2006 True about the dam, but when you drive in to Rockaway today, it still feels like the summer of 58 before the dam opened, and not in a Celebration City/Coney Island retro way. Other than the Pizza Cellar, is there a reason to go to Rockaway right now? It wouldn't take a casino to revitalize the area and make it family friendly, but it would take something. Rockaway needs a niche, whether it involves poker chips or not. I would guess that it will fail again if it comes to ballot, whether it's an off year election or not. “Many go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish they are after.” — Henry David Thoreau Visit my web site @ webfreeman.com for information on freelance web design.
ColdWaterFshr Posted August 1, 2006 Posted August 1, 2006 "Rockaway needs a niche" Here are some ideas better than a casino: Giant Ferris Wheel. Aquarium - come see Tippy the Trout, largest corn fed rainbow trout in captivity. KC and the Sunshine Band Theatre - 7 shows daily from 11 a.m. World Class Polo fields - only played with mini-bikes and croquet mallets. Catfish Emporium - the largest deepfried catfish buffet in the universe, with over 70 kinds of high-end tarter sauce to choose from.
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