Elites Ban A-Rig

[Guest csfishinfool]

Cullin: I am just taking a few minutes here with some of your post to answer questions you asked and ask you a few. Then I have a date with some stripers and Geese.

The people you speak of already think they own the lake and it is their lake and no one should be able to play on it except them and they even don’t like the neighbors on it. So they won’t care. Are you so worried about this type of person and what they think you would be willing to stop fishing altogether?

The fish still has to strike the single bait! Do you increase odds? Certainly! But as I found out yesterday it does not out fish other baits and it has limitations. So if it has limitations and it does not out fish other baits why are you so opposed to it?

True but yesterday the A-rig was out fished by a CD. Same place, same time, same depth, same conditions yet the “ greatest bait ever to come out” LOST hands down to the old CD.

It is what it is call it a lure a rig whatever it’s just another tool… But you said it best ITS LEGAL! That in and of itself should say it all!

This sounds when reading it you are more concerned about people out fishing you that are “ could haves “ Kinda like saying they are not that good but this bait made them that good. If that is the case and again we will go back to: and it is legal, then why not tie one on yourself? If the tournament you are in allows it and you fear being out fished by a lesser angler why not even the odds by fishing it yourself? Sounds on face as ego!

An there are other pro’s who don’t seem concerned about it. Now you yourself admit this will probably not be the tournament winner but think it will play a role! If this is the case then it is more evidence that it is just another tool in the angler’s tool box, and not the great thing and 1 lure beat all and thus no reason for a ban on it. By your own admissions above why are you so against it where legal?

And like you the sport and lures/ rigs of the sport advance and get better! Why are you so against advancement if you yourself advance as time goes on?

This is certainly NOT TRUE. Refer to above regarding yesterdays fishing. Please also beware I did it Trolling so as no angler manipulation could be made to make one lure more or less effective than the other. See post

http://forums.ozarkanglers.com/index.php?showtopic=31843&hl=alabama&fromsearch=1

So the questions:

1. If this rig has obvious limitations doesn’t it make it just another tool in the box?

2. If legal 3 or 5 hook or whatever the state allows then any angler has as much of a chance as anyone else still keeping the playing field even correct?

3. If both the above two answers are yes then why should it be banned from tournaments?

If it is purely that it has 5 baits on it that’s fine and we will agree to disagree if its legal in the state but if its because it gives “Have nots” a chance then that is ego and I will urge you to look at yourself as to why you fish.

I do not want or wish to seem harsh in that but I did tournament fish for years and seen that type of ego and was guilty of it myself at times. I had forgotten fishing was supposed to be fun and enjoyable and the object was to have fun. Tournaments bring out the worse in people as does most competition on things we love. I quit tournament fishing not because I wasn’t good but because I loved fishing and was starting to hate who I was becoming and hating what I loved. But most I was getting to where I didn’t want to teach others about it and help others get involved in it. I watched good men turn into evil people who would cut off other anglers and cuss out people all in the name of Winning and that is not what its about.

Thank You for your time.

Yes it will become another tool in the box.

Yes i could go throw it

So yes it should be legal?? not in my opinion

It doesn't matter if it is the most effective presentation or least effective presentation. It is still allowing five baits to be thrown at once in tournament competition. That Is why I am all for the ban. It has nothing to do with its catching ability.

[gitnby]

Bill Babler, Bill Beck and Pete Wenners are using it.

3 guys that are VERY generous with their time and knowledge of this Lake.

3 guys that understand and support the conservation aspect of their livelihood.

[Guest csfishinfool]

Skill, that is why you want this thing banned. Cause you so called pros don't have advantages anymore. I know a ton of people who say THEY will throw the rig if you ban it or not and I am one of them. This levels the field. No more can they call you pros ( PRO ) anymore and it's funny as hell. Cry babies are now coming out of the wood work. Like I said, bitch and cry all you want. The avg weekend fishermen is not gonna stop throwing a bait cause the cry baby pros don't have advantage anymore. Even the OMTT circuit is not gonna ban it cause if it's legal then throw it. Maybe the Pro's can argue this on the radio show. But my guess is none of you will call in cause again, your behind a computer and you don't wanna look like a baby like Some are over this. The best bass fisherman in the Ozarks is Bill Davenport. Way past all you wanna be's. Maybe the field is to equal now for some, but the avg fisherman is not a pro and the Pro's WILL NOT dictate this rule. If so, when you fish against the avg guy and you bring in 20 lbs and the avg guy brings in 30 lbs you can bet it is the Alabama rig doing its job. You think the rogue is bringing in 29 ls last week in the winter bass brawl. How about the rogue on table rock last week 27 lbs or the 28 lbs on lake Ozark last week or the 25 lbs yesterday on lake ozark. Not even close. Try te Alabama rig and you so called pros are scared. Period. You can stay scared cause if there is no poly test then 100% of the avg fisherman will throw the rig all year. Open your ears and ear what people are saying. We are fishing the rig no matter what you say.

Thats fine fish it, no one is saying you can't . Just remember when they asked you what you caught them on you can simply reply, " five swim baits". And to say you would throw the Rig even if they banned it, because there isn't a polygraph test is the most ignorant thing I have heard out of over 100 post. Congrats

BTW that really is the weakest argument you can make, "your just scared"

[rps]

Do you know how long it took me to read this thread? And I am a speedy reader.

Of course, after the first couple of pages, much was repetition in increasingly harsher language. Still, there were some funnies, and I thank you. I'll check back after the next 115 replies.

[Feathers and Fins]

. Seeing somebody w/ a lunker bass and they say "What you tought me helped me catch it!!" means more to me now than cashing a check ever did.

AMEN in SPADES!!! That is what i love to see and do.

Yes it will become another tool in the box. Yes i could go throw it So yes it should be legal?? not in my opinion It doesn't matter if it is the most effective presentation or least effective presentation. It is still allowing five baits to be thrown at once in tournament competition. That Is why I am all for the ban. It has nothing to do with its catching ability.

CS, I thought you were done with this lol... If it has nothing to do with its catching ability then why wouldnt you allow it after all if its just another bait/lure/rig the fish still has to bite it dont they? So if it has nothing to do with it and its legal you seem only upset it allows for for multiple presentation! But if everyone is throwing it then all the participants are legal and equal and that is not disputable. A tournament should only insure all participants have an equal chance and if all can use it then all are equal.

Pssstttt RPS 2 more honkers removed from the Lake

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AMEN in SPADES!!! That is what i love to see and do.

CS, I thought you were done with this lol... If it has nothing to do with its catching ability then why wouldnt you allow it after all if its just another bait/lure/rig the fish still has to bite it dont they? So if it has nothing to do with it and its legal you seem only upset it allows for for multiple presentation! But if everyone is throwing it then all the participants are legal and equal and that is not disputable. A tournament should only insure all participants have an equal chance and if all can use it then all are equal.

Pssstttt RPS 2 more honkers removed from the Lake

Good on you. Tell me your favorite way to fix wild goose to eat.

[bobw]

Well I fished it yesterday for the first time. I did catch 2 bass on it, 2 bass and threw it for 3 hours or so. My buddy in the back of the boat was throwing a jerk bait and had 8 before I put the thing down and went to a jerk bait myself. We enede up with 16 keepers, the biggest 5.6, caught on a jerk bait, and must have caught 30+ fish. There may be better places to throw this thing, but as far as where we were catching our fish yesterday it didn't work worh a fiddle.

[Iclass]

For all you pro A rig haters.... I was just wondering as I'm watching some football game on tv. Does it make them unprofessional for the receivers to wear gloves, really they're pros should they get to use that unfair advantage?

[Guest csfishinfool]

For all you pro A rig haters.... I was just wondering as I'm watching some football game on tv. Does it make them unprofessional for the receivers to wear gloves, really they're pros should they get to use that unfair advantage?

It would be unfair if they had an extra arm

[smbasser]

After reading all the comments, the conclusion i'm coming to is that the Alabama rig levels the playing field? Why doesn't every sport start leveling the playing field? for example lets make the hoop in basketball larger or even put 2 or 3 goals up to pick which one to shoot at? I am a tournament fishermen and put alot of work in to try and compete against some of the big names in the ozarks and i am against it all together. I do hope one day it is outlawed from competition. I watched the FLW where it had it's coming out party and to see guys like Brian Thrift or Jay Yelas say, "this is crazy.....all you have to do is throw it out and reel it in....the hardest part being throwing it out there" there will always be people for it and people against it trying to persuade other people there way, that's just part of it, i just happen to be on the side against it