Mdc Enforcement Issues

[exiledguide]

Why do you want to make a grown man cry. The possum does it to me everytime!

I mean this as a compliment to George he does more with the lamest material than any singer I have ever heard. Most of his songs would never be recorded if it wasn't for skill of George Jones . I'm not much of a fan of country music but I think he is about as good of a song stylist as anyone. I have believe he ranks right up there with Tony Bennet as a singer.I also think that there is very little country music allowed on the radio just crappy Rock and Roll sung by as......... in cowboy hats. There ya go, you got me started.........

[Feathers and Fins]

My bad, sowwy Justin. But hard to beat the Possum.

[bigredbirdfan]

That meat didn't have to come from game. Good for the hunters for sharing, but agriculturists were willing to share, could ante up far more than that with much less effort.

So you will admit that poverty exists and that some people do consume some wild game to live? It's just your POSITION and BELIEF that they don't need to eat it because the government or a food bank could give them something else. Would you have the same opinions for Native American Indians? I don't think that most of you even know what poor is. I grew up around people who shoot multiple deer each year to live, filled their freezer with catfish in the summer, crappie in the spring, turkey in the spring and fall just to eat and barely get by.

[jdmidwest]

Don't worry everyone, with the free birth control coming our way, the population will decline to the point that the game population will be back in balance.

Of course, in a few more years, government will bring us our allotted fish to our front door, compliments of the rich folks.

[Tim Smith]

So you will admit that poverty exists and that some people do consume some wild game to live? It's just your POSITION and BELIEF that they don't need to eat it because the government or a food bank could give them something else. Would you have the same opinions for Native American Indians? I don't think that most of you even know what poor is. I grew up around people who shoot multiple deer each year to live, filled their freezer with catfish in the summer, crappie in the spring, turkey in the spring and fall just to eat and barely get by.

There's no point in "admiting" anything because I've always known that poor people hunt and fish to supplement their diet. I've never been one of those people but I've certainly worked and lived with them. You seem to be hopped up on the idea that there's some kind of double standard going here...but you're more or less pathetically wrong. Harvesting game is a legitimate use of the resource..although in the lower 48 just about any hourly wage at any job would provide more food than hunting and fishing and if too many people do it they're going to eat their way through the game that's there. There simply aren't enough deer out there to feed that many people.

You may not have noticed that almost every single Indian tribe hires resource managers to keep from overharvesting (although I acknowledge that doesn't always lead to good practices). Everyone needs to manage their resources.

You're flailing at a straw man by bringing up government food banks. It raises points that have nothing to do with this conversation, it degrades your relevant points and makes it hard to take you seriously.

[jdmidwest]

You're flailing at a straw man by bringing up government food banks. It raises points that have nothing to do with this conversation, it degrades your relevant points and makes it hard to take you seriously.

Tim, I took the quote that he was talking about as you expecting the Agriculturists to donate some of their harvest to outweigh the share the harvest program. The Share the Harvest does several things.

One, it actually puts meat on the tables of people that will eat and enjoy it from persons that only hunt for the sport and not the meat.

Secondly, it helps to control the burgeoning population of deer that are exceeding the carrying capacity of the land they are managed on. MDC sets the limits on the harvest and encourages hunters to meet them to control the population to keep the herd vigorous and healthy.

Thirdly, it benefits the sportsman, outdoor industry, MDC in tags, and it controls deer damage to crops and auto insurance rates, increasing revenue.

Agriculturists, formerly known as farmers, run their business for personal gain. They plant the crops or grow the animals for a profit. Profit is the excess amount from the business cost that they receive to support their own family. If they have an excess, then they have an option to donate it like the hunters. Your comments bring up government subsidies to farmers to create a surplus in my mind, which would normally drive the commodity price down, cutting into the profit. The government agrees to subsidize the farmer to increase his profit in order for him to create a surplus and keep the markets in line.

But then the government regulates the pollutants that the farmer creates and runs off into the streams and penalizes him. They regulate the labor the farmer uses on his farms, his kids now have to look for jobs at McDonalds because the farm has been deemed too dangerous for young adults. They mandate ethanol regulations to divert the corn to fuel and feed prices soar. The EPA makes it harsh on pig farmers and the smell, so they give up their business and prices rise. They demand testing on all cattle for mad cow and other diseases, mandate keeping records on the herd from birth to market, prices rise. And we all lose as more of our taxes are spent in ways we do not really need them to be.

[Tim Smith]

Tim, I took the quote that he was talking about as you expecting the Agriculturists to donate some of their harvest to outweigh the share the harvest program. The Share the Harvest does several things.

One, it actually puts meat on the tables of people that will eat and enjoy it from persons that only hunt for the sport and not the meat.

Secondly, it helps to control the burgeoning population of deer that are exceeding the carrying capacity of the land they are managed on. MDC sets the limits on the harvest and encourages hunters to meet them to control the population to keep the herd vigorous and healthy.

Thirdly, it benefits the sportsman, outdoor industry, MDC in tags, and it controls deer damage to crops and auto insurance rates, increasing revenue.

Agriculturists, formerly known as farmers, run their business for personal gain. They plant the crops or grow the animals for a profit. Profit is the excess amount from the business cost that they receive to support their own family. If they have an excess, then they have an option to donate it like the hunters. Your comments bring up government subsidies to farmers to create a surplus in my mind, which would normally drive the commodity price down, cutting into the profit. The government agrees to subsidize the farmer to increase his profit in order for him to create a surplus and keep the markets in line.

But then the government regulates the pollutants that the farmer creates and runs off into the streams and penalizes him. They regulate the labor the farmer uses on his farms, his kids now have to look for jobs at McDonalds because the farm has been deemed too dangerous for young adults. They mandate ethanol regulations to divert the corn to fuel and feed prices soar. The EPA makes it harsh on pig farmers and the smell, so they give up their business and prices rise. They demand testing on all cattle for mad cow and other diseases, mandate keeping records on the herd from birth to market, prices rise. And we all lose as more of our taxes are spent in ways we do not really need them to be.

My post complimented hunters who donated game.

My point is that there aren't enough deer or turkey or anything else to feed many people in the population and those donations are a drop in the bucket compared to human demand for food. There are 46 million Americans receiving food stamps right now. How many deer would it take to feed them? Every last deer and then some. That's not a knock on the donor program. That's just a simple fact that there's not enough game to meet the need.

Living off game isn't a viable or sustainable lifestyle for any large demographic of people anymore. When I was born we had 200 million people in the country and now we're up to 300 million. The fact that we have MORE deer now than we did when I was a kid is a direct result of reduced hunting and management. We may think times are hard just now but we've been living fat, even in the recession. Get a REAL depression started and see what happens.

Jamaica? No fish. No game. 3 million impoverished people on an island and it's an ecological wasteland for game species. Haiti? Even worse. Honduras. El Salvador? Maybe you could hunt stray dogs there. Just about everything else is gone.

Survivalists who think they're going to retreat into the woods and be Daniel Boone and live off game if things go bad are headed for a serious disappointment.

Hobbyist hunters donating meat are doing a good thing but it's a drop in the bucket.

Agriculture gets paid to NOT produce food. If you want to feed people that's how it's going to happen...hopefully WITH EPA regulations on pollutants. Most of us that have something to fish for have it because the EPA makes it possible.

I don't see how you get out of the realities the modern world gentlemen. You may not like it, but those are the realities.