Ouestion?

[vanven]

Hey Vanven

I think we are talking about 2 different regs here.

At the trout parks, an artificial with hair or other material is a fly (ie brown wolly and spinner, brassie).

Those spinners you saw may have had some fly component to them.

For taney in the restricted area, a rapella is cool, a plastic worm is NOT.

Rubber legs on a foam body at taney?

That is the question here.

George

The second part of my post probably should have been it's own topic. It was a bit confusing.

-J

[twosets]

Phil

Any word yet on this topic from the State ?

Just asking, Go Cards.

George

[Steve ks]

I agree with gizzardshad. If it is a flytying material that should be good enough.(no tying night crawlers to a hook) There are other things that I have seen that cause more harm.

[Phil Lilley]

None. I'll email them again.

[Phil Lilley]

I heard from Chris Vitello, MDC. Here's what he sent:

Phil,

As always, this is not an easy issue. When we modified the definitions a few years back, we did meet with a number of fly anglers and shop owners to discuss the array of fly tying materials that existed and the propensity for new materials to enter the market almost on a daily basis. You can imagine how difficult, lengthy and cumbersome the regulations would be if we tried to list the full array of materials that fly tiers might choose to employ!

With that in mind, we established the following definitions:

See MDC Wildlife Code: 3 CSR 10-20.805 Definitions.

(22) Flies, lures and baits:

(A) Natural and scented baits - A natural fish food such as bait fish, crayfish, frogs permitted as bait, grubs, insects, larvae, worms, salmon eggs, cheese, corn and other food substances not containing any ingredient to tupefy, injure or kill fish. Does not include flies or artificial lures. Includes dough bait, putty or paste-type bait, any substance designed to attract fish by taste or smell and any fly, lure or bait containing or used with such substances.

( Soft plastic bait (unscented)- Synthetic eggs, synthetic worms, synthetic grubs and soft plastic lures.

© Artificial Lure - A lure constructed of any material excluding soft plastic bait and natural and scented baits as defined in (A) or ( above.

(D) Fly - An artificial lure constructed on a single-point hook, using any material except soft plastic bait and natural and scented bait as defined in (A) or ( above, that is tied, glued or otherwise permanently attached.

Check pages 29 and 42 in the PDF file located at http://mdc.mo.gov/documents/regs/fishsum.pdf for more detail.

Bryon Puttman works at the hatchery. He asked Chris about the pellet fly some were using at the outlets- a fly that consisted of a brown piece of foam glued to a small hook. Mike Kruse sent this in response:

Based on this response, the closed-cell, foam-bodied "chernobyl ants" (e.g., Orvis brand and others of similar construction) that I am familiar with may be used above Fall Creek on Lake Taneycomo. It should also be noted that a "fly" describes the actual lure, not whether or not it is presented using a fly rod, spinning rod, etc.