Little Piney- Barbed Wire Fence

[drew03cmc]

Maybe carry some bolt cutters in your vest...might aid access to these places...

I am being sarcastic, but be careful that you don't rip your waders, shorts or whatever you might be wearing.

[Kayser]

I'm 6'2", and the wire isn't cranked tight- not much of an issue there.

[Midwest troutbum]

Im no biologist but reason leads me to believe cows concentrated fecal matter in a stream can't be a good for a streams health or very sanitary for most occupants. If anything you would think Missouri Dept of natural resources would use this angle on the subject to force or educate the landowners to be more conscious of their decisions and actions. I'm no lawyer either but cows in any river Seems like an infringement or gray area in the clean water act to me.

[Kayser]

I feel the same way. But a handful of sportsmen aren't going to do a whole lot against the cattle industry in this state- follow the money, find the power. And there's a lot of money in cattle.

[Ted Calcaterra]

Are folks stilling getting run off at Vida Bridge? I still maintain its navigable but the only opinion that matters is the county prosecutor.

[Ham]

I fail to understand why an elected County Judge who may or may not have any education in legal matters of any sort gets to "decide" (more like declare) what streams are navigable largely based on the wants of landowners that own property along the stream. Why is this allowed? Why doesn't MDC (AGFC) or MoDOt or

There is plenty of legal precedent about stringing barbed wire across navigable streams, but if a county judge declares in "non-navigable" the landowner is apparently free and clear to endanger someone's life so that he can allow his livestock to degrade a public resource. I know there are farmers and ranchers that are Great Stewards of the land and water, but I also know first hand that All are most definitely not good stewards of the land and in many cases not even good people.

[awhuber]

. I know there are farmers and ranchers that are Great Stewards of the land and water, but I also know first hand that All are most definitely not good stewards of the land and in many cases not even good people.

Hmmm same thing could be said about laywers...

[Ham]

Hmmm same thing could be said about laywers...

No doubt! But I doubt many lawyers are running barbed wire across a creek so that their cows can get a drink of water either.

Not all Doctors or pharmacist or preachers or teachers are good people But the tie in here is that many landowners along our precious smallmouth streams are farmers or ranchers that DO NOT practice good land management and OUR streams suffer because of it.

[awhuber]

No doubt! But I doubt many lawyers are running barbed wire across a creek so that their cows can get a drink of water either.

Not all Doctors or pharmacist or preachers or teachers are good people But the tie in here is that many landowners along our precious smallmouth streams are farmers or ranchers that DO NOT practice good land management and OUR streams suffer because of it.

Head up my way here, we can float the Meramec around Short bend and have to go under several lawyers and doctors barbed wire fences.

[Ham]

It's unacceptable behavior from any landowner. The fences I've encountered were strung by farmers/ranchers; I 'd be just as upset regardless which river it was on and what the reason the fence was put up for.