What Should We Do About Mass Shootings?

[Chief Grey Bear]

And niether will your ideas.

1. And just how would this have stopped any of the mass shootings?

2. For a citizen that hates taxes, maybe you can get your NRA to fund it. Don't know how metal dectectors would have stopped the last one.

3. And just what laws were going to enforce to stop the shootings? If this were the case, we wouldn't need prisions, would we?

4. Are you going to force evereyone to take the course? How does this stop shootings?

5. It has?

Whooops. Didn't mean to sound so hostile. I was just thinking and typing at the same time.

Bottom line really though, I think we have waited to long to do anything. If there is anything we could do. I can see the need for something to be done, but we have zealots on both sides that will kick, scream, and cry all the way. I just don't see us ever coming together on this issue.

I love the DWI analogy. No we have not stopped DWI's. No will not ever stop DWI's. No matter what you do. But, can you say that lives have been saved by making stricter DWI law's?

[jdmidwest]

A metal detector would be a simple purchase, just a little drop in the bucket of a school systems bloated budget. Maybe just take a percentage of the union dues to ensure the security of the teachers. As a PTA member I could see a collection for one. You really need some way of securing a school to prevent it from happening in a school again.

As far as a photo id, when someone buys a gun in the state of MO, they present a photo id to verify that they are the one purchasing the gun. That is already there.

I doubt there would be any way to track an individuals surroundings to control gun purchases. I might get flagged because my neighbor down the street is a meth head and has stole guns in the past, so we are not selling you one??

Mental health. There are numerous ways in place that are tracking them at the present, they just need to be tied into the current background check system. Tracking the key drugs prescribed to the individuals and flagging them in the current background check system would be an idea. Requiring doctors to report cases to the FBI so they can get entered into the system promptly.

I have always felt that training and education are essential to gun owners, some are just plainly misinformed. As are most non gun owners. I feel everyone should be made aware of correct firearm safety and handling. Why not go back to the shooting programs of yesteryear. 4-H, Boy Scouts, etc used to teach proper handling of firearms. There may have even been shooting programs in schools back then. Now days, most youth are exposed to guns as something they use in a video game to create mass destruction firstly. There is no other training unless the parents are gun owners and choose to teach them.

According to FBI statistics, violent crime has went down over the past few years in areas that have adopted CCW and in areas that encourage private gun ownership.

[jdmidwest]

I love the DWI analogy. No we have not stopped DWI's. No will not ever stop DWI's. No matter what you do. But, can you say that lives have been saved by making stricter DWI law's?

There were no new laws created for DWI other than lowering the BAC to .08. But the Federal and Local Governments have spent more money on the problem by running special weeks to do sobriety checkpoints. They advertise that they are going to enforce the laws more, which is a good deterrent. And they have made the punishment greater. So the amount of persons killed by DWI drivers has decreased.

They did not outlaw booze. They did not limit you as to how much you can own or drink in a given amount of time. They did not close bars. They did not infringe on your personal right to indulge in a frosty cold beverage. They simply enforced the laws existing and made punishments stricter.

[ozarkgunner]

My point on all of this is rather simple, either there is a constitutional right or there isn't. We have free speech which everyone agrees with, but that includes pornography ( even that with ladies and donkeys). We out law child pornography and we outlaw fully automatic weapons however everything else seems to pass constitutional mustar. I have no need for watching girls have sex with donkeys and I understand why many have no need for a 30 round magazine but rights are rights and who are we to judge?

[Chief Grey Bear]

There were no new laws created for DWI other than lowering the BAC to .08. But the Federal and Local Governments have spent more money on the problem by running special weeks to do sobriety checkpoints. They advertise that they are going to enforce the laws more, which is a good deterrent. And they have made the punishment greater. So the amount of persons killed by DWI drivers has decreased.

They did not outlaw booze. They did not limit you as to how much you can own or drink in a given amount of time. They did not close bars. They did not infringe on your personal right to indulge in a frosty cold beverage. They simply enforced the laws existing and made punishments stricter.

You are aware that there at one time, not really so long ago, no such thing as DWI?

You are aware that check points are very infrequent? Meaning most departments run less than a dozen per year?

You are aware they did limit how much you can indulge and still operate a vehicle?

You are aware they decided how old you have to before you can obliterate yourself from consciousness?

You are aware that before you can enforce an exsiting law, you have to first make it a law?

[jdmidwest]

We can't stop all bad things from happening, but the laws we have in this country try to minimize the risk to the general public by outlawing things like drinking and driving, texting and driving, no bombs in church, etc. Were your lives really that bad back when we had a ban on assault rifles?

Lives were really not changed by the assault rifle ban the first time. Columbine shooting came and went, they just reloaded more often, I don't recall what guns they used, I don't think it was an AR. So did Jonesboro.shooting, I think he used a lever action rifle. And he was out of jail before the gun ban was lifted. CT still had most of the strict gun laws in place from the first assault rifle ban, it did not stop it.

Back in the 90's, thing were different. AR's and other military style weapons available in semi auto version were collected by a select few and made by only a few companies.

Forward to 2012. The AR has changed. It is available in multiple calibers and styles. It hardly resembles the M16 used in the Vietnam war. Most major gun manufacturers carry several models for hunting and shooting sports. Several competitive shooting competitions have evolved using the AR platform as either a primary weapon or one of 3 in the competition. They are accurate weapons used in varmit hunting, deer hunting, hog hunting, and in 22 versions small game. They are very modular and fun to own. They have more accessories available than any other firearm out there to customize them.

It has become a key element in all gun enthusiast's areas. That is why there is a big outrage when someone tries to limit them

[jdmidwest]

You are aware that there at one time, not really so long ago, no such thing as DWI?

You are aware that check points are very infrequent? Meaning most departments run less than a dozen per year?

You are aware they did limit how much you can indulge and still operate a vehicle?

You are aware they decided how old you have to before you can obliterate yourself from consciousness?

You are aware that before you can enforce an exsiting law, you have to first make it a law?

I am truly lost with you lately, I really can not figure out where you are going. You sit in attack mode waiting to pounce, but you never contribute anything positive.

I do remember a time where it was illegal to give an Indian alcohol or firearms.

[Feathers and Fins]

First I sure as heck do not want shrink being able to keep people from getting guns ( anit-gun shrinks ) can you see where that goes. Next is, what is so dam hard to understand about the words SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!

How many of these mass-shootings in the last 20 years were in gun-free/ safe zones care to guess?

Columbine and Sandy Hook the weapons used were not owned by the shooters they were stolen as the shooters LEGALY could not buy them or own them.

Yes I think our schools should be secured but I have said this since 9-11 NOT for fear of a lunatic but the pure purpose of a terrorist is to install fear in the population and anger. I am honestly suprised they havent hit a school yet!

There are more gun laws than you can imagine adding more laws or regulations will not work they are not working now because a CRIMINAL doesnt care about the law and the trend is sucide after the fact so no law we could make would matter one bit.

If you want to know what an Assault Rifle is; it is in rifle that can be used to assault that could and was at one time Muskets, What about Assault Shotguns or Pistols or homemade grenades. Assault is a sad term and to many people think AR stands for Assault Rifle and it doesnt if you didnt know that already. Maybe AK stands for Assault Kick.

What is they answer? Bad people happen and they happen to good people we can try to secure our schools but then where will the next one be a Movie theater? Oh wait done maybe a McDonalds ooopppsss DONE, maybe a post office errr Done. Are we going to secure every place in this nation with armed guards? How about banning guns all togeather ( pesky constitution in the way ) Maybe we should take an example from Israel and learn bad things happen and learn to deal with it and not let the horror of what a few people do affect our freedoms our rights or our daily lives. If it had not been for the MEDIA this would not be affecting any of us it was a local event as were all the others. BUT Death Sells and is good for politicians causes as well. So lets stop letting these nutcases dictate our lives and loss of freedoms and understand there will be bad people and no matter how much we try to be safe one or two might actually do what they set out to do.

[ozarkgunner]

Ars are the ford mustang of guns. Some people don't like them due to the increased performance over average but they are nothing special and there are millions of them.

[Chief Grey Bear]

I am truly lost with you lately, I really can not figure out where you are going. You sit in attack mode waiting to pounce, but you never contribute anything positive.

I do remember a time where it was illegal to give an Indian alcohol or firearms.

Well, I guess I just don't think you pour gas on fires expecting to suddenly go out.

I contribute, its just not what you want to hear.

So you want armed guards at all schools? Are you just going to have one per building or one at every door?

Metal detectors? How do they stop someone that just busts right in?

You want unions to pay for it? Why should they?

Felons are not supposed to have guns either. How are you going to stop mental cases from getting them?