Assault Weapons

[Quillback]

The perpetrators at Columbine carried shotguns also. Their first choice was to use explosives and they experimented with them. Had they not had access to guns they may have had the patience to get working bombs.

It's all about the mental state, it's all about the mental state, etc, etc etc.

They were minors and as such,it was illegal for them to purchase firearms, but they found a friend that was of age to buy the weapons. Again, requiring background checks to purchase shotguns would not have stopped or even slowed these guys down.

[Justin Spencer]

The arguement that criminals are going to do it anyway is assine in my opinion. Using this logic why do we have any laws, good people will live right bad people will do wrong so lets have a free for all.

And except for the last one ( it may actually be legal as well in cewrtain states i havent looked ) I can own with the proper licensing/ permits.

I like your thinking since tough licensing for grenades and other explosives has prevented people from using them in mass killings in this country for the most part, why not do the same with some of these more dangerous weapons, I'm with you on this one!

[jdmidwest]

There is no logical arguement for having high capacity magazines. It may not help anything (but it ain't gonna hurt), but it is often argued that it only takes a few seconds to change the magazine, so why is that such an inconvenience for you on the shooting range. If you shoot 30 shots as quickly as you can your accuracy is going to suffer anyway.

I will repeat that I don't think we need to worry about any weapon ban with this congress (unless the general public really starts making a stink). If the vast majority does support this then isn't that what democracy is all about (as long as it is within the constitutional wiggle room and holds up in the supreme court).

For me if we closed the gunshow loophole, had background checks that meant something, and made personal gun transactions have to go through a registering process (just have owner and buyer go to a gun store, give the store owner 10 bucks and he can go through the process just like it was a new gun). These seem resonable to me without infringing on any law abiding citizens right to bear arms.

The other things can be taken up by the states and if the laws of that state make you feel unsafe then move.

The 3 gun competition is one that I can think of. It consists of a sporting event where you run a time course using a sidearm, shotgun, and AR15. The course is designed for hi capacity magazines in the sidearm and AR 15, extended tube in the shotgun. There are other competitions that use them too.

Restricting a magazine to 10 rounds only requires a shooter to reload more often, it will not prevent gun violence.

As far as the face to face sale of firearms from a private collection to another person, IE gunshow loophole, will be a hard one to enforce. Once again, it will not prevent any violent shootings.

People that fail to pass a current background check will often dupe a friend or wife into buying one for them. That is illegal too. It happened recently in the Firefighter shooting last month, the felon was not able to buy a gun legally so he had someone else buy it for him. The buyer was arrested and charged for the illegal act of purchase for the felon, but it did not stop the shooting.

Executive order 7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign. Proposed by Obama yesterday may help. I assume it will fund the NRA training programs and make more people competent gun owners and possible safer.

9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

Those 3 will force law enforcement to take a more active role and the prosecution to actually convict the persons that cause this mess in the first place. They should have no effect on law abiding citizens that own firearms.

Above all, educate people that they alone are responsible for their personal safety first and foremost. They are responsible for the actions of their family members. Hold the people that are to blame accountable for their actions. Don't penalize those that follow the rules.

[Feathers and Fins]

Now I have always said I would like to see people buying guns for the first time to have to take a Concealed Carry Class or Hunter Education Class, but that is more of a safety issue so they at least have training in firearms for everyone. After you get it when you go to buy a new gun you have to show proof of one of those two certifications. BUT THAT WOULDNT HAVE STOPPED any of these shootings.

Not sure what you missed early in my posting Justin, that will insure that the person is Checked and Taught firearms safety. Dont need to close the loopholes or anything else after that.

Example;

Buyer wants to buy is buddies gun, Show Picture ID and either of the two documents hunter ed or cc and you have verified.

[Feathers and Fins]

And in honor of our great Nation my wife and I went shopping tonight for matching XDM's his and hers. A family that shoots together stays together

[Quillback]

The arguement that criminals are going to do it anyway is assine in my opinion. Using this logic why do we have any laws, good people will live right bad people will do wrong so lets have a free for all.

I like your thinking since tough licensing for grenades and other explosives has prevented people from using them in mass killings in this country for the most part, why not do the same with some of these more dangerous weapons, I'm with you on this one!

No one is making that argument. And I am going to presume that "assinine' statement was not directed at me.

[jdmidwest]

Nice catch F&F. I have my eye on a 3.5 XDM at the shop. I have not owned an XD yet but have been wanting to try.

Those are going to be on the hitlist.

[Feathers and Fins]

Shhh JD dont tell anyone the Mag caps on them they will cry lol. Those are in 40cal and had to adjust the backstrap for my wife to dang near the 1911 size but now she is wanting to go blow off a few hundred rounds... my poor gun safe's

[Justin Spencer]

Not sure what you missed early in my posting Justin, that will insure that the person is Checked and Taught firearms safety. Dont need to close the loopholes or anything else after that.

Example;

Buyer wants to buy is buddies gun, Show Picture ID and either of the two documents hunter ed or cc and you have verified.

I did miss that, I like the idea, but the NRA will hate it as I'm sure many urban gun owners don't want to hunt or cc, love to see it though, but wouldn't it be just as easy for them to run the background checks at gunshows like they do in a gun shop, might add 10 minutes to a transaction but so be it.

I think enforcement is a HUGE part of the problem, maybe need to reconsider the war on drugs, and make it more the war on people who illegally possess weapons and make it a mandatory 20 years for just having one, or something crazy to keep these criminals from giving the rest of us a bad name.

Lots of good ideas and none are perfect, something needs to be done so we can put this to rest and get back to illegally shooting groundhogs.

Oh yeah, 16 rounds should take care of that intruder F&F

[Feathers and Fins]

Justin; I honestly think the NRA and many groups can get behind it. The NRA preaches gun safety as much as gun rights that does both.

Enforcement, Man we have so many laws on the books it is the COURTS that need ot enforce the laws and stop plea bargining deals and sentences down.