This Concerns The Plannet

[Justin Spencer]

That's why I'm building an underground bunker for me and my family.

[Outside Bend]

http://forecast.weather.gov/jetstream/doppler/ap_max.htm

[jeb]

14. The vast majority, on the order of 95%, of scientists throughout the world who specialize in fields relevant to climate science agree that human induced climate change is occurring.

And the best scientist of the day all thought the world was flat, too. And that the stars rotated around the earth.

The problem with science, and especially the weather related branches of it, is that you don't know what you don't know.

[Outside Bend]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth

It's a common misconception that educated folks of the day didn't believe the earth was flat- repeating it over and over doesn't make it true. The ancients were smart enough to look at a ship's mast as it headed over the horizon, and realized there's curvature to the planet. The Greeks had figured it out thousands of years ago. As for earth's orbit around the sun- the Church had a nasty habit of torturing dissenters throughout much of the Middle Ages- whether folks believed the earth-centric model because they thought it was true, or whether they believed it because they didn't want to be persecuted, is hard to tease out.

And even if it were true, it's a red herring- the state of astronomy or geography 500 or a thousand years ago has nothing to do with climate science in the 21st century. Those past "mistakes" don't invalidate GPS technology, germ theory, vaccination, or other modern science and technology- why would they have any effect on climate science?

[Justin Spencer]

I think those that don't believe man could be playing a role in climate change are saying that so they don't have to feel any guilt about their comfort leading to their grandchildren's or great grandchildren's discomfort. Sticking your head in the sand won't keep you from being harmed. I hope beyond hope that climate change is not really happening but lots of proof that it is. I can't understand how many of the same people who believe certain things based on "faith", refuse to believe other things that have concrete proof, hard facts, and scientific research behind it. Sure studies can be manipulated, but raw data is raw data, and facts is facts.

[woodman]

My point exactly.... I'm not posting anything but Fact....Not until the last tree has been cut down and the last stream is dead will they understand they can't eat money! And what do we do.... ..make jokes....and continue on like nothing is wrong..

We are their at that point in time where we can say people are acting......"just as it was during the time of Noah."

I think those that don't believe man could be playing a role in climate change are saying that so they don't have to feel any guilt about their comfort leading to their grandchildren's or great grandchildren's discomfort. Sticking your head in the sand won't keep you from being harmed. I hope beyond hope that climate change is not really happening but lots of proof that it is. I can't understand how many of the same people who believe certain things based on "faith", refuse to believe other things that have concrete proof, hard facts, and scientific research behind it. Sure studies can be manipulated, but raw data is raw data, and facts is facts.

[jeb]

And even if it were true, it's a red herring- the state of astronomy or geography 500 or a thousand years ago has nothing to do with climate science in the 21st century. Those past "mistakes" don't invalidate GPS technology, germ theory, vaccination, or other modern science and technology- why would they have any effect on climate science?

Please re-read my post. The point is that science doesn't know it's wrong until it knows it's wrong. Science is not about consensus, it's about proving and disproving things.

[jeb]

I think those that don't believe man could be playing a role in climate change are saying that so they don't have to feel any guilt about their comfort leading to their grandchildren's or great grandchildren's discomfort. Sticking your head in the sand won't keep you from being harmed. I hope beyond hope that climate change is not really happening but lots of proof that it is. I can't understand how many of the same people who believe certain things based on "faith", refuse to believe other things that have concrete proof, hard facts, and scientific research behind it. Sure studies can be manipulated, but raw data is raw data, and facts is facts.

I disagree. I think that's just a cop out by the climate change faithful because they don't want to admit that there really is no solid evidence to support their religous believes. There are just far too many unknowns in this area of science. When they can start accurately predicting the weather for, say, 4 weeks out, I'll start to listen. Until then, it will remain glaringly obvious to me that they do not have a handle on the variables required to even begin to cyrstal ball future climate patterns.

The bigger problem we have regarding our childern's future is the massive debt this country has been building the last few years.

[chub minnow]

Yes your grand kids will be happy to know the country is debt free as they roast in the 130 degree Missouri summers of the future. They will thank us all for looking after the important stuff - you know, $$$$. Who needs to worry about drought and killer tornadoes when the federal budget is balanced? Talk about red herrings! There is TONS of evidence available as to the causes of climate change. If you say there isn't, then you haven't seriously researched the topic

I wish everyone could be as intelligent, reasoned as insightful as Mr. Agnew. Our prospects would be a lot brighter. These are facts people. CO2 levels are rising, ice caps are melting, and weather is getting more severe. Humans do contribute to this through the burning and extraction of fossil fuels. The fracking of natural gas releases more CO2 than burning it.

Are the climatologists always right? No. Are they part of some vast conspiracy to ruin your Mercian way of life? No. I know some of these people and they are intelligent, thoughtful people working hard to understand this phenomenon and how we can slow or stop it. They love their SUVs too, but they are smart enough to recognize a scientific truth when they see it. Burying your head in the sand and ignoring it just because it's not part of your political party's belief system is short sighted in my opinion. Of course ignoring climate change and man's impact on it are clearly short sighted in my opinion as well. The economy and budget will work itself out. I'm less optimistic about man kinds willingness to take care of our home.

[bfishn]

...Science is not about consensus...

Au Contraire. Look up "peer review".

When you publish your conclusions you have to;

1. Document your use of proven methods to gather data so the data is acceptably relevant.

2. Document your methods of statistical analysis to everyone's satisfaction.

3. Clearly define which of your conclusions are fact, based on the above, and hypothesis, based on the possibilities allowed in the above.

Get any of that wrong and they hand your butt back to you on a platter (there's plenty of that going on). The final result is a consensus.