Some Stocking Info From The Bv Poa Newsletter

[Quillback]

As to AGFC helping land owners with Habitat ( THATS THEIR JOB ) Duh But AGFC does NOT stock those private lands do they? NO THEY DO NOT!

The AGFC spends money to help private landowners, that's the point. I can do without the "DUH" comments. I think you're intelligent enough to put together an argument without resorting to that kind of stuff.

[Feathers and Fins]

You really don't get it do you...

BTW the public can fish the lakes, you just need to be hosted by a member. = Private Property an if someone is not "Hosted" they will be ejected or fined or both. Also anyone can purchase a lot here and pay annual dues and gain access to the lakes. = Private Property

Also these fish are designated surplus by the AGFC and in effect given to BV by the state. Your original rant against the POA and the city of BV is misguided, = Not misguided I can go down a list of numerous lakes and ponds those " surplus " fish could be stocked that ( ANYONE ) can have access to if you are so unhappy with the state giving surplus fish to BV, you should direct your rants at the AGFC. = Done

Are you not understanding those fish are ( PUBLIC PROPERTY? ) when they are placed in private lakes where only residents or guest can access them they are detracting from the public value of the property. If BV wants them then buy them its not that difficult to understand. Private land owners must purchase fish why should BV be given them? If your answer is they are "Surplus" that hold not water as I highlighted above there are many places that they could be stocked so anyone from the pubic has a chance to utilize them.

Those surplus fish could be stocked in lakes /ponds that are part of the Family / Community program for our region is would be Lake Atlanta and Murphy Park. That would be consistent with AGFC Mission Statement.

Helping people properly manage their lands is part of the job of AGFC, That benefits the wildlife and the State, Mission Goal of AGFC and for that matter all states DNR Departments. Giving a private entity "surplus" anything does not benefit the public or state. Now selling that "surplus" would as the increased revenue will help generate more fish in the future.

Why should BV be given fish for free?

Are there not public lakes in the region those fish could be stocked that ALL members of the public could use them?

[Quillback]

AGFC has designated them as surplus, you should ask them why they don't stock them in public water. So managing private property is part of AGFC's job, but raising fish in hatcheries is not? it's all spending public money. Providing assistance to a private landowner to help manage wildlife is still spending AGFC money helping a private landowner. No different that stocking fish in a private lake. Fish in hatcheries aren't public property, they belong to the state of Arkansas. Grab your fishing rod and head over to one of the hatcheries and do some catfishing. You'll probably get about 5 minutes in before someone shows up to boot you off.

I agree that it would make sense for the AGFC to sell it's surplus fish, but again you need to contact the AGFC, if you're so passionate about this issue, you should direct your efforts at getting something done. Your arguments really don't matter if you aren't willing to do something about it. if you do take the time to contact AGFC with your concerns, I'd be very interested to hear what they had to say.

[Feathers and Fins]

AGFC has designated them as surplus, you should ask them why they don't stock them in public water.

Letter sent and as stated above they are suppose to ( stock public water ) this is why they in cooperation with UAPB list

where to buy fish

So managing private property is part of AGFC's job, but raising fish in hatcheries is not?

Where did I say managing hatcheries ( was not part of their job ) or assisting property owners ( I did say this ) was not the job of AGFC. In fact I pointed out it was part of their job to help property owners. But if you require more reason here is the short version.

Wildlife such as and for example only; ( Deer, Turkey, Quail, Dove, Rabbit, Coons Squirrels ) can and often do pass between private and public property using those properties for purposes of breeding, feeding and sleeping. Wildlife does not recognize or even know who's property it is or even that property lines exist. Therefor it would be negligent on the part of any DNR not to aid property owners in better management practices for their properties as proper management practices will benefit the wildlife.

In respect to fish hatcheries; Those facilities are needed to help augment natural reproduction in lakes where it is low and to promote outdoor activities and encounters. To aid in that practice AGFC has the Family and Community program as well as the Stocking of fish in public waters. Some of those species are used for bio-mass control as well as table fair and recreational activities.

Both of the above listed programs fall within the jurisdiction and mission of the AGFC.

Grab your fishing rod and head over to one of the hatcheries and do some catfishing. You'll probably get about 5 minutes in before someone shows up to boot you off.

Was that needed?

I agree that it would make sense for the AGFC to sell it's surplus fish, but again you need to contact the AGFC, if you're so passionate about this issue, you should direct your efforts at getting something done. Your arguments really don't matter if you aren't willing to do something about it. if you do take the time to contact AGFC with your concerns, I'd be very interested to hear what they had to say.

As I already said I have sent in a letter ( Typed and signed in hand ) as those tend to get a response that is not form generated. If I get a reply I will post it.

Your own Biologist in the original letter states he has to "BUDGET" for species. BV is not public there is no arguing it and you know it. So if he has to budget to purchase fish that I have no problem with. I do have a problem with getting freebies that are the property of the People of the State of Arkansas! You brought it up yourself ( TAX DOLLARS ).

So answer my questions;

Why should BV be given fish for free?

Are there not public lakes in the region those fish could be stocked that ALL members of the public could use them?

[Quillback]

BV is given fish for free as the AGFC states they are surplus. BV asks for them and the AGFC gives them to BV.

Yes there are public lakes where these fish could be stocked, again you need to ask AGFC why they are not.

And as far as your wildlife argument, wildlife such as geese, ducks, eagles, etc., pass through and utilize the BV lakes. It's just as reasonable to have the state help manage these lakes as it is to have them assist private property owners. The blue cats were stocked to help manage the gizzard shad, which should benefit bass populations. And just for the record, high water events wash fish put of the BV lakes and into the public streams. You can't hunt on private property that has game species on it, the AGFC offers help to those landowners to manage habitat, but you can't hunt it. Are game species going to leave a large, well managed piece of property where they have everything they need?

The AGFC assists private landowners in many ways, you don't like it that they provide fish to BV lakes, but you're OK with providing assistance to private landowners to enhance hunting on that land? You're picking and choosing what assistance to private landowners is OK to you. I'll agree with you that's it's not OK to assist BV with state resources if you agree it's not OK to assist other (private) landowners with state resources.

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