Arizona

[drew03cmc]

How can you be sure? The Neosho as a sub species is in question. OSU was the authority that said they were, but they are also the ones who say further DNA analysis says they may not be.

The native range of smallmouth in general says they aren't. Smallmouth aren't native any further west than eastern Kansas and Oklahoma with the exception of the Missouri River to the north.

[Gavin]

You never know what you will find. Fish were stocked all over the place after the advent of the refrigerated rail car in the 1880's. Pacific Salmon & trout were stocked in the Ozarks and many other species were stocked in other places. It was the thing to do back then.

[Mitch f]

You never know what you will find. Fish were stocked all over the place after the advent of the refrigerated rail car in the 1880's. Pacific Salmon & trout were stocked in the Ozarks and many other species were stocked in other places. It was the thing to do back then.

No doubt... not to mention floods cleaning out farm ponds, and individuals just doing it for their own personal reasons.

[Guest P. owensby]

Owensby, no, they aren't native. No, the smallmouth in the Arkansas wouldn't be Neosho Smallmouth.

Cmc, thanks! That's why you ask questions when you don't know! Now I do, thank you!

[Guest P. owensby]

You never know what you will find. Fish were stocked all over the place after the advent of the refrigerated rail car in the 1880's. Pacific Salmon & trout were stocked in the Ozarks and many other species were stocked in other places. It was the thing to do back then.

You stole my thunder Gavin but I thought it would have been pounced on if I were to raise the query!

[Guest P. owensby]

Now those Black River fish are real smallmouth. Really sucky way of treating fish you're going to release, though...dragging them up onto dry, hot dirt.

I was gonna bring that up but I thought it would have ruffled feathers! I conquer 100%! I think the Black flows to the Salt which flows through Phoenix I believe...

[Guest P. owensby]

How can you be sure? The Neosho as a sub species is in question. OSU was the authority that said they were, but they are also the ones who say further DNA analysis says they may not be.

My thoughts precisely...

[Guest P. owensby]

The native range of smallmouth in general says they aren't. Smallmouth aren't native any further west than eastern Kansas and Oklahoma with the exception of the Missouri River to the north.

So you're saying that the inhospitable smallie water in Western/Central Oklahoma is a natural barricade for migration to the headwaters? I can see that! I can also see the corollary! The world will never know...

[Al Agnew]

I was gonna bring that up but I thought it would have ruffled feathers! I conquer 100%! I think the Black flows to the Salt which flows through Phoenix I believe...

Well, the Salt doesn't exactly FLOW through Phoenix. Every bit of the water in it is sucked out before it gets to Phoenix. One of the people I talked to that lives there said they released a big slug of water from one of the dams a few years ago and for a couple of days the river was actually running through Phoenix, and it was a really big deal. I fished the Salt below the last major dam, just a short distance outside of Phoenix, and it was a very nice river, but right below where I fished it there's a smaller dam that is where Phoenix's water intake is located. The part I fished was supposed to have stocked trout, but everybody I talked to said the trout fishing was pretty poor by this time of year. The water comes out of the dam fairly cool, but warms very quickly. I was bass fishing and caught several small largemouth, and one very nice largemouth where I found a warmer, murkier side channel.