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[KCRIVERRAT]

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Thanks Rapster! Them two honeys have since started a baby sitting business for gays who adopt children. They're holding my grandson, and I took the pic myself. Reminded me of the Tetons.

[Justin Spencer]

Thanks Rapster! Them two honeys have since started a baby sitting business for gays who adopt children. They're holding my grandson, and I took the pic myself. Reminded me of the Tetons.

Is that the last time you got to babysit?

[KCRIVERRAT]

Is that the last time you got to babysit?

Nope. But at least my wife does all the hard stuff. I love having them run across the yard while I cast dummy baits at'em.

[REDSOXWSCHAMP]

I love having them run across the yard while I cast dummy baits at'em.

the hooters girls or the grandkids?

[KCRIVERRAT]

the hooters girls or the grandkids?

The grandkids brother. I'm able to only cast looks at Hooters girls.

[ozark trout fisher]

Here's the final thing I'm going to say about this, after about four days of cooling down: the first ammendment says you, legally, are able to say what you want to say (barring something dangerous like yelling fire in a crowded theatre.) So, you can go off on Michael Sam. You can make dumb jokes about his sexuality, or footage of him as he was being drafted. You can call it gross, disgusting, whatever, and be legally fine.

But in other (non-legal) arenas? The first ammendment offers no such protection. The way Michael Sam has handled this media circus, in some ways, hasn't been ideal. It's definitely not going to help him make the roster. But it has been perfect for one thing. His decision to do what he's done has drawn every ignorant person out from the woodwork, and seemingly, despite their better judgement, they haven't been able to contain said ignorant thoughts.

We get it from Marshall Henderson, from Miami Dolphins DB Don Jones, from countless others across the public and less public sphere. And every one of them (at least those in public sphere, like Henderson and Jones) are facing some sort of societal consequences for their action. Henderson got denounced by his own (former) school (and Ole Miss, for goodness sakes), while Jones got suspended and fined. Heck, in another similar example, see what is going on with the Clipper's owner. He did nothing illegal, and yet, his life isn't real enjoyable right now. You can't say stuff this stupid anymore and expect it just to slide. Society has decided that, for right or wrong.

You are, by the constitution this country was built on, allowed to say exceedingly dumb stuff- but don't expect me or others to give you a pass just because of that. I don't mind you saying you were uncomfortable with the ESPN footage. But there's a line, and it benefits us all to watch for it. "I CAN SAY WHATEVER THE HECK I WANT, IT'S A FREE COUNTRY, DANGIT" is a philosophy that hurts you more than anyone you're insulting.

[Wayne SW/MO]

That's not the point and neither is the first amendment. The whole point is that he will have to make peace with over 70 or so fellow athletes. There is no control over their opinions, no matter what do gooders tell you. I think it makes sense for him to establish himself as a fellow athlete before he pushes for acceptance on a subject that won't be accepted easily.

He's young and he has a lot to learn. His fellow teammates aren't college players nor will they care what his reputation is as a player. They will want to see results and if he continues to divert attention it may came back to haunt him.

He needs to SHUT UP about his sexual preference and play football, then other things will follow.

[Flysmallie]

I can agree with most of what you are saying OTF, but Same is creating his own circus. I have no problems with him being gay or whatever. Do what ever you want. But when he says he just wants to be a football player then he should just be a football player. Not a gay football player with a reality show. But again I don't care what he does. If I don't want to see it then I don't have to like it. I just want everyone to be smart about this if he turns out to be a bust in the NFL.

And while I think Stern is an idiot I also think the NBA is full of idiots for trying what they are trying. If you went to your job one day and your boss told you to pack your belongings and leave because of something you said in the privacy of your own home then I think you would be a little upset. Now I could agree with the NBA if he was out there blasting it around in public, since it is a privilege to be a part of that franchise. But I think this country is going down a long dark road when we start punishing people for the things they say in private. How many more lives to we have to destroy in the name of racism and homophobes. I don't agree with their beliefs but I also don't agree with trying to ruin a person's life because of their beliefs.

[ozark trout fisher]

You know what, I agree with you guys as it relates to his NFL career. His problem (and I get the irony of this reference) is that he's creating a Tim Tebow style flurry of attention around himself at a time when he is very much on the chopping block of the Rams roster. I disagree pretty strongly with his choice to go on the Oprah Documentary. It's a bad idea at this stage of his career.

That said, if he's hurting anyone with the publicity he's creating, it's himself. If the Rams ultimately deem it not worth it, they'll cut him, citing (potentially valid) performance reasons, and he'll go try to make a roster somewhere else. So if the only person he's hurting is himself, I don't know where the hate is coming from. Also, from a pure financial standpoint: he's a 7th round pick with precious little stabililty as an NFL player. All of these media engagements are getting him a lot of money. Honestly, with a somewhat cloudy future in the NFL, would you not take the opportunity to take the sure $$$$$ now, even if it's at the risk of some future NFL cash that may or may not pan out anyway? It's a question that anyone in his (rare) situation would have to consider.

I know the whole "he's cashing out on his circumstance" is something that people are using against him.....but almost anyone would do that. He's a recent college graduate who presumably needs the money and there are people willing to give it to him.

[Terrierman]

Here's the final thing I'm going to say about this, after about four days of cooling down: the first ammendment says you, legally, are able to say what you want to say (barring something dangerous like yelling fire in a crowded theatre.) So, you can go off on Michael Sam. You can make dumb jokes about his sexuality, or footage of him as he was being drafted. You can call it gross, disgusting, whatever, and be legally fine.

But in other (non-legal) arenas? The first ammendment offers no such protection. The way Michael Sam has handled this media circus, in some ways, hasn't been ideal. It's definitely not going to help him make the roster. But it has been perfect for one thing. His decision to do what he's done has drawn every ignorant person out from the woodwork, and seemingly, despite their better judgement, they haven't been able to contain said ignorant thoughts.

We get it from Marshall Henderson, from Miami Dolphins DB Don Jones, from countless others across the public and less public sphere. And every one of them (at least those in public sphere, like Henderson and Jones) are facing some sort of societal consequences for their action. Henderson got denounced by his own (former) school (and Ole Miss, for goodness sakes), while Jones got suspended and fined. Heck, in another similar example, see what is going on with the Clipper's owner. He did nothing illegal, and yet, his life isn't real enjoyable right now. You can't say stuff this stupid anymore and expect it just to slide. Society has decided that, for right or wrong.

You are, by the constitution this country was built on, allowed to say exceedingly dumb stuff- but don't expect me or others to give you a pass just because of that. I don't mind you saying you were uncomfortable with the ESPN footage. But there's a line, and it benefits us all to watch for it. "I CAN SAY WHATEVER THE HECK I WANT, IT'S A FREE COUNTRY, DANGIT" is a philosophy that hurts you more than anyone you're insulting.

You really CAN say whatever the heck you want (pretty much) and you're not going to go to jail for it. That's where the free country part comes in. You may well suffer other consequences though, as people are starting to learn.