Missouri /arkansas Thread

[BATCAB27]

Does Mizzou get in as a 2 loss SEC champ?

best case scenario for Mizzou would be to win (obviously) and for Baylor and Ohio state to lose. If my calculations are correct (which is no guarantee) that would leave the committee to choose from Mizzou, Wisconsin or Kansas State for the 4th spot. Or possibly Bama backing in. If that scenario played out Mizzou would have the best most recent win and be SEC champs and...well...who am I kidding right? We're out.

[Wayne SW/MO]

So Missouri would play 3 teams without 5 or more losses and Arkansas would play 3 teams with 5 or more losses? Where is that an even schedule?

[Feathers and Fins]

How do you or anyone know how many wins or losses they would have?

[ozark trout fisher]

But you still have to pick 8 and if you 16 you still have to pick 16. I belive there were 128 teams at the start of the season and now 4 have to be picked. The computer can do something that humans can't and that is look at all the teams quickly and compare competition. Yes they are emotionless and impartial, both of which have no place in the final say. It would be easy enough to overcome the one disadvantage it has, and that is a major change in a teams structure. I could see OSU or FSU being downgraded if they lost their QB's very late. Even that is iffy for humans to evaluate.

As for Missouri, they didn't have the competition to get a higher ranking. All but one of the SEC teams they played have 5 losses, the only major non-SEC team they played beat them, and the ranked SEC team they played annilated them. They are good, but they have to be considered a big underdog against 'Bama.

The only thing that irks me is that we are below UGA. At this point the head to head result is basically meaningless. They blew their shot to build on that win while we went on a six game winning streak. I do think we deserve at least a top ten ranking with a win over 'bama, though.

[Wayne SW/MO]

How do you or anyone know how many wins or losses they would have?

Well we can only look at this year or the past, but this year points out the flaw. What would Arkansas's record be if they were playing in the east? While I believe 8 teams are plenty, I don't think there is a perfect way to pick, but I will always belive the computer rankings come closes and they are hard to argue with. The fact is that you example of how MU and AU could play would take into account the disparity in the competition.

I think a program coud be written that would take into account, strength of schedule, offense and defense productivity, give credit for close games and take away for blow outs.

One advantage for us, the fans, might be that the hungry teams might decide to play fewer cream puffs and that would be a good thing. It would be nice to see teams like Arkansas, Alabama, Mizzou, Oklahoma and the like shed a couple of their easy games and challenge the midwest and the west coast for instance.

[Wayne SW/MO]

. I do think we deserve at least a top ten ranking with a win over 'bama, though.

I agree, but only because it will show that they have risen above their schedule late in the season. That's one of the flaws that can be overcome with a playoff, but there still has to be a way to pick that is free of opinion.

Lets face it, the method the pros use sucks because every year they rig the matchups for the next year. A does good, they get a tougher schedule the next year and so forth.

[Feathers and Fins]

Wayne my model is the EXACT one used by the NFL. It is tried true and proven and doesn't use polls or models.

[Wayne SW/MO]

Wayne my model is the EXACT one used by the NFL. It is tried true and proven and doesn't use polls or models.

You have just introduced an opinion. I don't think the NFL model is a good one, at least when it comes to which teams are the strongest. The very fact that they change strength of schedule every year according to the previous year insures that the playoffs will shift from year to year, and they do. College players don't have the luxury of waiting.

It's true that some teams manage to stay near the top year after year, but in the end the mix of teams with various test muddies the water

What is wrong with a well written computer program that takes into account strength of schedule? There would be no opinion allowed unless a team had a major change very late in the season. Everyone says that FSU doesn't play anyone and that would show up if the model was written right. A team like TCU, who lost a very close game to a one loss team would get a boost as they should.

I would hope that in the long run a strength of schedule criteria would bring some teams to drop some of the easy games and look for some lifting competition.

[Feathers and Fins]

Wayne they could introduce the schedule in April for each Conference based off strength of schedule from last year for each conference.

There is no perfect solutions with so many teams its impossible, the more popular ( tv play ) a conference gets especially on a national level the more people will want to go there and that is one reason the SEC is so Dominate. Players want the best chance to go PRO and high exposure sure helps. If I was a high school athlete and had a dream of the NFL I would go to the Bama's Auburns, Lsu's of the College level and stay clear of UAB'S for certain.

I Hate computers they are in enough of our lives and having some things they are no part of is not a bad thing. Beside even a computer could make a mistake and the fans would be still mad. It has to be head to head and let them fight.

[ozark trout fisher]

We already have one NFL, and I don't want college to become a duplicate. I say just get rid of the game control fiasco and stay at four teams. Honestly, better yet just go back to two. It's not because I wouldn't love to have a real 8 (or even 16 team) postseason. As a fan, that's a dream come true.

But you just can't ask these guys to play more games unless you are also offering to start paying them a substantial amount of money for that. Because with every game comes an exponentially higher risk of injury. The top teams already will have 15. If anything we need to look at reducing that.