Dock With Zebras

[MOPanfisher]

The COE maintained ramps should be in good shape, they were useable when we were 5 feet low a few years ago, although it was amazing the amount of rock and gravel we cleaned off of them when it was that low. But launching shouldn't be any problems. If you launch at a gravel ramp, it will depend a lot on which ramp and how well it has been maintained. The gravel ramps tend to develop a "blow hole" or washout from the prop wash, creating a hole and corresponsing pile just past it.

[pomm muskie]

thanks for the reply

[drew03cmc]

Jerry I've been called a lot of things but never a team player before. Don't know if that is a compliment or not and really doesn't matter I guess. I will agree that the threats are continually there from boats that go from LoZ to Pomme on a regular basis, however the threat that they "might" contain veligers is different from knowing that adult zebra mussels are there. It may well go down as a lost cause in the end, however for the cost of treatment I am still more than willing to spend the $ even if it doesn't work I am not gonna give them (the mussels) a free ride if I can help it. We have been expecting a population of zebra mussels to develop for several years but so far it hasn't happened, hoping to continue that tradition.

It came from Jerry, so take it with a grain of salt.

With that said, I understand the issues that can come with zebra mussels, but one possible benefit that I have seen where they are present is cleaner water. We have zebras in various lakes in Kansas and I have seen water quality improve, but the infestations aren't without consequence.

[Knot Sure]

Has pseudomonas flourescens CLl145A been considered as a possible alternative to the copper sulfate treatment?

[dprice]

I've read articles before that agencies have treated waterways with efforts to remove fish,cleaning,grass.....with devastating results in several circumstances . I'm no expert but generally speaking but they appear to learn from mistakes ? good luck with this

[MOPanfisher]

KnotSure, pseudomonas flourescens CLl145A, ( i.e. Zequanox) was considered for use, there were some issues with its use though in addition to the cost. The Missouri Department of Conservation took the technical lead on the chemical application and choice there of, and thankfully the headaches that came with it. We are purchasing the chemicals for them to apply.

Dprice, I would love to tell you that agencies always learn from their own mistakes and mistakes of others, unfortunately we know that isn't always true. In this case I don't see any damage really being done by the application of copper sulfate, could there be some minor fish mortality, I suspect there could be though I would be surprised if that happened in this situation and with the timing. Could there bere some native mussell mortality, again sure there could, but the risks are fairly low, and the amount of possible damage limited. Honestly I don't see any substantial risks to the treatment plan, I see some substantial risk with not even trying though.

[dprice]

I see this as the right of the governing bodies to choose the fate . This why we have them in place . we are all here to deal with the troubles that may or may not occur years down the road . it wouldn't matter if if we're foreign ships dropping foreign organisms in Great Lakes chains and eventually migrating here or the amount of boats traveling in and out of the states or COUNTRIES ? learning does eventually come from mistakes (ours or others) . i ask we learn from this ! I Know boat owners will still continue to travel to affected bodies of water for recreation even with this problem. I think LOZ Is a incredible fishery and attracts possibly a few more people than Pomme and isn't much clearer?

Does copper sulfate have any warnings or Danger signals on the containers?

Thanks for your response