Danoinark Posted January 22, 2006 Author Share Posted January 22, 2006 Thanks Phil, and the more I think about it, the more the TU is probably a way to go. The charter is already there, and it would (I suppose) just take a few to get it rolling again (if politics would allow). The only thing that concerns me is what you said earlier about the possibility of a merger of some of the chapters. I guess too I am being selfish in that I am a fly fisher and that discounts those that are not. In order for Taney to continue to be healthy as it is, it takes all types of anglers. Dan Glass Has Class "from the laid back lane in the Arkansas Ozarks" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jOrOb Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 The problem I see is the ease at which a group can "lose sight of the ball." I think perhaps that is what happens most of the time with groups like TU and FFF chapters. The local clubs get tangled into the "big club" and become entwined in politics and national issues that push local fishing to the back burner. Doe that mean I support either TU or FFF? I think both are great organizations. I would agree with Dan that the Branson TU chapter is already there, making a group easier to start perhaps, but if it comes with excess baggage the it might not be worth it. FFF might be the same way. What do they require our group to do to be FFF? My vote is for a group that focuses on fly fishing and fly tying. Cold water, warm water, whatever water is fine with me. The rest will work itself out later. jOrOb jOrOb "The Lord has blessed us all today... It's just that he has been particularly good to me." Rev MacLean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Root Admin Phil Lilley Posted January 22, 2006 Root Admin Share Posted January 22, 2006 TU requires chapters to hold a fundraiser annually. They also only pay the local chapters a small percentage of the membership dues paid. That's the only requirements by national. Don't know anything about FFF. But like I said, we could combine 2 organizations- one group of guys. Double the opportunities. TU has nothing like the conclave or sow bug which are great opportunities for members. There an organization close by that's both- isn't it NWArkansas FFF/TU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Brian - barring something happening at work or home - I would be more than willing to help with a clean up on Taney. Could you post a reminder a few days before? I would also be willing to take part in an organization (either FFF or TU) that would be based in Branson. Both are great ideas. Greg "My biggest worry is that my wife (when I'm dead) will sell my fishing gear for what I said I paid for it" - Koos Brandt Greg Mitchell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 I think if the TU chapter fired back up.. It would bring in alot more people.. But Im wondering what will the dues be?? Dont you pay an annual due for Tu?? Also if the FFF and Tu united.. Would the dues be more.. Then comes to the point.. if we started up some tying clubs.. how many could we have in one area.. I mean if we had 100 people from this site that wanted to be in a tying club.. where could we get them all in at, at one time?? So if we had like 3 or 4 different clubs in the area and got together a few times a year for one big tying session wouldnt that be as fun to??? And who would set the the club dues??? Dont get me wrong... I love all of these ideas... but these are just a few question that I ( or others) may be thinking about to. Leonard http://www.taneycomonights.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danoinark Posted January 22, 2006 Author Share Posted January 22, 2006 Leonard Those are questions I obviously can't answer. I do know from the limited research about FFF, they don't require dues from the local clubs. Most clubs charge dues though to build up a war chest for their local projects. I have no idea what TU charges. I think you have to be a member of the National TU in order to be a member of a local chapter. FFF requires some legal documents to be filed that makes the local club a 501 c3 tax status as a non profit group. Also your Charter must have at least 12 members. I would suggest that if there are enough people interested that we should consider an organizational meeting where we could sit down and discuss the feasibility of it all. I like Phil's idea of maybe joining efforts. I also like Jorob's thoughts because I am a selfish fly fisherman, but at the same time I sure don't have an attitude that precludes me from throwing a spinning rod too. I probably should have posted this on the Taney Forum we might have gotten more hits. Phil it just occurred to me that you would know this. At the Branson TU, were there figures as to who comprised the most members or active members .. fly fishers or conventional anglers? Dano Glass Has Class "from the laid back lane in the Arkansas Ozarks" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Sorry to hear that the Branson TU Chapter faded. If your starting up a club let me know if we can help. I serve on the board of the Ozark Fly Fishers in St. Louis and weve discuss TU/FFF stuff in the past. Ozark Fly Fishers www.ozarkflyfishers.org is an FFF affiliate with about 300 members. The our members pay the club $25 in annual membership dues, and then the club pays about $300 a year to be listed as FFF affiliate. Members are encouraged to join the FFF, FFF membership is not required to be a member of our club. I've heard that the TU club structure is different. TU national collects the dues then national disperses $4-5 bucks a head to the local club to support its activites. Accordingly, TU has a lot more clout at the national level, but it seams that FFF clubs have a lot more money to provide membership benefits at the local level (out of town speakers, educational programs, newsletter, outings, banquet, support for conservation activities, etc.) Just something to think about if you want to get the ball rolling. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Root Admin Phil Lilley Posted January 23, 2006 Root Admin Share Posted January 23, 2006 Exactly - it's frustrating to see so much $$$ going to east and west coast projects that few of us will ever see. TU regional did give us some money when we built the collection bend at the hatchery parking lot. I talked to Phil Surratt today about some of the things we've talked about. OzarkFlyFishers sound like the club/structure we may look into. Form a club then encourage members to join either FFF or TU. Sounds like FFF is open to something like that... TU may not like the idea because they wouldn't get funding thru membership. But if another club like NW Arkansas does it, we'll see. Gavin- thanks for the offer. We may be calling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danoinark Posted January 24, 2006 Author Share Posted January 24, 2006 Gavin Thanks for the info and encouragement. Phil I got all of the FFF legal documents sent to me today. I will email them to you if you want to look over them. I haven't dissected them enough to see if there are any issues with association of other national groups. A club in Topeka just started up. I have been in touch with them too. I don't have the website url here at home, but do at the office. I will also send that along. As to these FFF documents if anyone wants to see them just email me and I will email them to you. Dan Glass Has Class "from the laid back lane in the Arkansas Ozarks" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troutchaser Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 I want to resurrect this topic and see if we can get some interest stirred up. I would be interested in serving - not just joining - a group like this. I attended the Springfield Chapter of FFF, and I was not impressed. I made the effort to introduce myself and get to know some of the group. They came across as arrogant and snooty. Perhaps I met the wrong people in the group; I don't know. Anyway, I know that earlier this month I had a discussion with a friend of mine on our way to Taneycomo, and we decided we would like to join the TU in Branson. At the time, we thought it was an active group, but I guess we were wrong. I'm hoping we can get it going again. We're going back down tonight, so we'll talk about it some more. Is anyone else willing to bring this club back or start a new one? Paul Rone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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