After years of research ....

[trythisonemv]

1 hour ago, dpitt said:

Yes you are correct he was just thinking using a smaller hellgrammite pattern as a being a representative pattern to tie

Gotcha . i guess i misunderstood lol. Yeah I think thats why the smaller olive ans black wooly buggers clean up down there. 

[trythisonemv]

1 hour ago, tjm said:

Nigronia serricornis or Nigronia fasciatus ? Did you examine the antennae to determine if male or female? 

It is common, I think to call the larvae  of Dobson flies and fish flies all hellgrammites. I also think the fish flies are more widespread than you think throughout the interior highlands, I believe I read some research about five species of them in the Ozark region.

In this report N. serricornis is found on Little Piney Creek. https://midmissouri.tu.org/sites/default/files/Little Piney Report_062107-144dpi.pdf

This was more informative than mdc. I was really disappointed by mdc break down of the bug. Didn't give any substantive information at all. 

[trythisonemv]

1 minute ago, trythisonemv said:

This was more informative than mdc. I was really disappointed by mdc break down of the bug. Didn't give any substantive information at all. 

Also serricornis is what they are. Usually common in Michigan and Wisconsin. Mdc said nothing about them. I even emailed them to no avail. Thanks for all the info and discussion everyone thia was on the little things that has driven me crazy for like three years. 

[tjm]

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/27372733_Life_History_of_the_Fishfly_Nigronia_Fasciatus_Megaloptera_Corydalidae

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/290194885_Alderflies_Fishflies_and_Dobsonflies_Insecta_Megaloptera_of_the_Interior_Highlands_USA

http://americaninsects.net/n/nigronia-fasciata.html

http://americaninsects.net/