Horrible Guide Etiquette!

[Crippled Caddis]

<Unfortunately, its not "guide etiquette". Its just plain rude, no matter what the situation. Sadly, its the "I'm the only person in the universe" mentality.... fairly common these days.>

My perception is that it's proof that the 'Golden Rule' has became tarnished through no longer being either taught or honored. CC

[Jeremy Hunt]

I had to respond to this one. I agree that if you’re fishing a spot it’s only fair you wait your turn. It’s not that hard to figure out if someone’s fishing there you go somewhere else until your spot opens up. It’s common since and who cares if they’re paying customers. To be honest with you most my clients wouldn’t want to deal with fishing that close to someone (especially if you’re teaching them). One more thing if you’re a guide you shouldn’t have to depend on one spot. You should be able to put your clients on fish anywhere on the river. If not, maybe you should do some more homework just in case you have this situation again. If it was me I would’ve left and went somewhere else. I believe any profession you’re in you should always lead by example and set the example. And it’s also sad that a guide would actually shuffle to put clients on fish. Taney is a very forgiving river and these trout aren’t that hard to catch. Just my two cents.

JH

[Bman]

And I have to respond to this one.I have been biting my lip since the start of this topic.

Mr Hunts reply put me over the edge.

During early Oct I was fishing during the afternoon with 2 units running.I was wading waist deep in the flat area just below outlet 3.Sharing the water with two other gentlemen,we were all spaced a fair distance apart.The fish were midging like crazy in that slower back water area.Mr Hunt ran two fly fishermen by boat up to the area between rebar and shute 2.On the drift Mr Hunt deliberatly manuvered the boat so close to the two other waders that they could not even cast.They could have easily smacked Mr Hunt with their 9 ft fly rods,and I'm sure they were considering doing just that.Then Mr Hunt procceded down to cut in front of me,again the boat was so close I could have touched it with my flyrod.The boat was directly between me and the fish I was targeting.There was no apologies from the boat,they didn't even acnowledge my presence.Just Mr Hunt telling his other two in the boat"those fish are midging like crazy" I wonder how the two Mr Hunt was guiding felt having been placed in that situation,being that rude to other flyfishermen.

I was blown away by this behaivior,ruining an otherwise beautiful fall afternoon.

Bruce Omans

High Ridge Mo.

[Greg]

My experience with Jeremy Hunt has been exactly the opposite. I have encountered him multiple times on Taney and he has always been extremely respectful and done his best to keep his distance. There was one time last spring when he did get a little close to me and he immediately apologized saying he just didn't see me. Phil is right that the upper end of the lake is pretty small and it's just very difficult at times to stay out of each others way - especially boaters and waders.

Jeremy is also the kind of guy that has always been willing to share favorite patterns, advice, etc whenever I encounter him at BCO or on the river.

My overall experience with guides on Taney has been very good - with the one exception being the original subject of this thread.

Greg

[Jeremy Hunt]

<And I have to respond to this one.I have been biting my lip since the start of this topic.

Mr Hunts reply put me over the edge.

During early Oct I was fishing during the afternoon with 2 units running.I was wading waist deep in the flat area just below outlet 3.Sharing the water with two other gentlemen,we were all spaced a fair distance apart.The fish were midging like crazy in that slower back water area.Mr Hunt ran two fly fishermen by boat up to the area between rebar and shute 2.On the drift Mr Hunt deliberatly manuvered the boat so close to the two other waders that they could not even cast.They could have easily smacked Mr Hunt with their 9 ft fly rods,and I'm sure they were considering doing just that.Then Mr Hunt procceded down to cut in front of me,again the boat was so close I could have touched it with my flyrod.The boat was directly between me and the fish I was targeting.There was no apologies from the boat,they didn't even acnowledge my presence.Just Mr Hunt telling his other two in the boat"those fish are midging like crazy" I wonder how the two Mr Hunt was guiding felt having been placed in that situation,being that rude to other flyfishermen.

I was blown away by this behaivior,ruining an otherwise beautiful fall afternoon.>

Bman,

Well, I have to defend myself on this one. First of all I want to say, I never did that intentionally. The way I see is... there was water running yes, and you were wading way off the bank (30ft) a little ways out and there was plenty of room behind you for me to go fish that spot. I did respect your water and even said sorry we have to around you. And your reply was (and you call yourself a guide). To me that's no way to approach the situation. It seems like to me you couldn't way to say something. It was almost like you told yourself that if this guy comes over I'm going to say something. You are the only person I've ever had a situation like this with on the river. You were fishing the opposite side and were throwing out in the current. I watched you guys before I made a pass through the water. So I felt it was alright for me to make a drift.

Another thing is you don't own the whole stretch of the area you were fishing. There was plenty of room and you know that. If you would have said hi, then I can bet you like Greg and many other people would have you would have met a nice guy who would have told you how to catch those fish. The best fishing was behind you so I had to go fish it because you weren't and there were a lot of fish to be caught. I'm glad I know who it was now. It sounds like to me you have a personal problem with me and if you do me you can give me a call 417-294-0759. I would love to settle this. My apology for crowding you out and like I said, you and I both know it wasn't intentional.

The moral of the story is. My goal is to share this sport with people just like you and I who want to learn. I’m very passionate about the sport and my approach to this whole thing is to share it with people on the river and for all who want to learn. If you talk to people like Greg they will tell you exactly that. I built a site for the people and spill the beans just to help everyone. So I guess you could say I if my intentions were to be dick on the river more people would be saying just that. And I wouldn’t go out of my way and wouldn’t have said sorry to you when I did make a pass. I thought you would’ve been more understanding. It’s not like a put an anchor out and parked on your water. I made a pass thinking it would be ok because you weren’t even fishing the water we passed through. My bad and I’ll be the first to say it. I hope you understand, but if you don’t I can’t please everyone. All I can do I defend myself on this.

[Danoinark]

....and as Phil said in an earlier post we cannot allow personal issues to be aired on the forum especially with names being used. Since Mr. Hunt has responded to BMan, that will be all on that subject of this thread. The thread is still open but please do not respond either positively or negatively to B man or Mr. Hunt.

or I see this thread being closed.

Dano

[Phil Lilley]

Dano- disregard the email I just sent you.

But I'm still biting my tongue here.

[Jeremy Hunt]

Thanx Dano. I sent him a personal message as well regarding this.

[crappiefisherman]

I like reading all this , so I can prove to myself that the world isnt really a perfect place.I dont get along with all the folks I come in contact to but I put up with them out of respect for my fellow man.Bye the way crappie anglers never argue.

[Phil Lilley]

Biting Tongue....