If You Could Interject Any Species

[Trav]

It seems that the concensus is consistant with relationship to concerns that a new species will effect the status quo.

If you look at the results of the poll, smallmouths and walleyes(two species that have been confirmed already to exist) lead the list. With only stripers edging them. No way the lake could support stripers without a forage like threadfin being introduced as well and the forage fish would do more harm than the stripers.

I again state that this is a hypothetical poll and that in no compacity are any introductions of any species being considered.

Still would be nice to see some Channel Cats though....Haha

[Trav]

I would love to see a lake wide slot limit! Lets add on the "only artificial" lake wide as well. I could never understand why they limited it to just above fall creek. Brownies have lake wide limits, so should the bows.

If I could only pick one fish to add to Taneycomo it would be the Channel Cat. I have Bass and Brownies now, give me some Channels and I would be content without the others.

Has been fun debating over the others though. In a perfect world I guess. LOL

[Trav]

I tend to consider the thinking of a fisheries biologist. Mixing certain species of fish isn't smart. You don't stock stripers and rainbows in the same pond. You don't overstock a pond- every pond, lake or river has a carrying capacity- a balance that nature tends to take care of herself. When man tries to interject something that does work, you have trouble... stunted and/or deceased fish.

And I might have said this earlier in this thread- can't remember- but I know from talking to MDC biologists in the past, their stance in these kinds of issues is, "if it's not broke, don't mess with it". And I know they don't think Taney is broke. As a matter of fact, they are pretty proud of what they've done here and I don't blame them.

Fisheries management is about fish, water, food, structure and fishermen- and in the end, it should make a profit.

That is right on the mark.

The whole reason I brought up this debate. It was a bit about what you might like but it was mostly to bring attention to the fact that there is a desire for more species.. And to see if that desire is shared. As well as to discuss wether it can even be feasible. Not to bash trout.

I cant emphasize enough that the trout population cant be jeapordized in this process. As hard as it is to catch the Browns that I do catch, I estatically love fishing for them. You cant find a bigger challenge other than maybe musky. It is not easy nor is it fast action. Wich most anglers desire so I happen to relish in the fact I can achieve at it.

Of course I have stated that we need a larger population of Brownies over 6 pounds as well. But thats just myself being greedy. For I also know that I will probably be one of the very few to catch them. I have caught probably more Browns over ten pounds out of Taney than anyone I know. I just havnt been able to get past the 15 pound mark yet. And how many can say thier average Brown is 3 to 6 pounds?

Heres the catch. I go out looking for one bite. Thats it. And sometimes I dont even get that.

Anyway,

Phil, Your wrong. It dont take a fishery biologist to determine this debate. It takes a team of them. And wether we like the stocker bow tourist getters, I am not willing to sacrifice a 6 pound Brown to any other species knowing that it is a "put and Grow"!

I want a species that will cohabitate with the browns or I want more Browns!

I was asked why I dont become a guide for the Browns, just a few months ago. It is obvious that nobody can dig the holes of Taney for them better than me. I just said that I spent almost a decade of my life guiding. Clients have expectations. And when I expect one bite a day and dont get it I can live with it. But if I was getting paid....How do I justify that?

I think that the majority of our readers here on OAF under estimate the knowledge of the input that is shared here, and that those of us that know better will kind of dismiss the garb chat. The ones that would be of most appreciated dont even converse due to the adimate congruity displayed between some of us. I for one will bring it under any circumstance.

[Trav]

You know- these issues are fun to discuss but none of us are fisheries biologist with all the facts that really matter when it comes to managing a fishery. I for one can't argue intelligently about the subject, nor can anyone else unless he has all the facts, knowledge and training to decipher these facts.. we're all guessing here... so if we have any fishery biologists in the crowd, please speak up. Unfortunately, the ones I know won't step foot on forums.

Taneycomo is and always will be a trout lake. I believe that's set in stone and will never change unless TR dam is removed and it becomes a river again. Trout receives first consideration from MDC- again something that won't change. Why? Because in 1958 Taneycomo became a coldwater lake and the feds promised to stock trout to replace smallmouth bass. The state, thankfully, decided to pitch in. Don't think we'd have much of a trout fishery if all we got were federal fish.

My stance exactly

Just wiggle a few smallies and walleye in. BUT....Channel cat would be the bomb!

As a resident on the lake I can dream. The rest of you dont matter!

Haha

Hey Phil,

I went to Drake U with a philosophy major and a horticulture minor. Other than growing pot and talking dung I didnt utilize much!

Haha

I can say that I could manage a body of water and its biological entities.

Plus I own Ray Scotts Legacy Lakes series.

If that counts for anything.

If the rest of you agree then we can prove that this lake is in better hands.

I for one would screw the whole thing up!

[taxidermist]

Bull Shoals has its own trout population not even related to anything going over Powersite.

Yea, in case y'all dont know thats why the AGFC will not stock stripers in Bull. Every year they stock 10's of thousands of rainbow trout fromthe water born pens at Pot shoals area in Marion County. AGFC commision also has two rearing ponds for Walleye. both near Lead Hill AR. one on east Sugarloaf and a new one completed inthe last 2 years on West Sugar loaf. The newer one is where I use to duck hunt. Just take the first road to the left leaving Leadhill on HWY 7 to see this pond.

The AFGC has also stocked Browns and LAKERS yes thats lake trout in BULL,

Most of the bows will be caught out and some do make it several years, but are caught on bait under the lights in deeper water, Many around the dam.

As for the rumor of Powersite dam being removed, its all it is just a rumor not in the next few years anyway.

[taxidermist]

You know they could stock 100 tiger musky, with tags 1-100 and they be recorded everytime they are caught with a total C&R on them to see what and where they go, this would make tracking easier and see if they do well without the chance of hurting the money maker trout.

Oh By the way I have access to the record Brown replica from Taneycomo if anyone wants one. Yea somethings are just special and its in limited production

[laker67]

You know they could stock 100 tiger musky, with tags 1-100 and they be recorded everytime they are caught with a total C&R on them to see what and where they go, this would make tracking easier and see if they do well without the chance of hurting the money maker trout.

Oh By the way I have access to the record Brown replica from Taneycomo if anyone wants one. Yea somethings are just special and its in limited production

Which record brown are you talking about? I might be interested in a replica.

[bigredbirdfan]

What statistics are available on browns released each year?

[Phil Lilley]

They release about 12 to 15k browns in Taney per year.

I think that the majority of our readers here on OAF under estimate the knowledge of the input that is shared here, and that those of us that know better will kind of dismiss the garb chat. The ones that would be of most appreciated dont even converse due to the adimate congruity displayed between some of us. I for one will bring it under any circumstance.

??????? Sometimes, Trav, I don't know where you're coming from. Congruity means to agree. Why would people be intimidated by us if we agree? I didn't think we did ALL the time. Actually, it wouldn't very interesting if we did.

And yes- I had to look congruity up!!

[bigredbirdfan]

Thanks