Members Invert Interest Posted November 13, 2014 Members Posted November 13, 2014 Good Morning, all- Just reminding folks that the the Blue Marron/Red Claw freshwater Lobster discussion contin. with the Stop Unilateral Bans thread. The Unilateral part just means "across the board" ban, on the native Crawfish issue.. another way of saying "Broad Pen" action. Guys. Knowledge is power. its what happens when there isn't enough info out there to take a more informed action...The original poster of this thread , gave what information he had that may have been available in 2008,most of it second or third person anecdotal -not even American. Would it be to our advantage to acknowledge that our Native Missouri Crawfish are different than the Australian Blue Lobster, or the Red Claw? It is possible to save and preserve our native crawfish, AND benefit from the above Australian breeds, that require manual climate control (we are not Florida, or Australia, we are just too darn cold)they would just stop growing then die. ty
Members Invert Interest Posted November 13, 2014 Members Posted November 13, 2014 hi old plug. A great point. Mammals. they all have a "leg up" that a crawfish would never have. Our native craws have the weather beat by certain adaptations. Throw a handful, or bucketful, whatever, of Missouri craws anywhere you want in Marron or Red Claw territory without any help. ..
Members Invert Interest Posted November 13, 2014 Members Posted November 13, 2014 ah. no. Sorry Australia. I would never through a bucket of Missouri dads on you. ty
Chief Grey Bear Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 CrawdadsMy mistake. I thought we were talking about taking a crawdad out of his native environment and putting him in a non-native environment thus creating a hostile environment. And by doing so you run the risk of displacing the native species from their environment and replacing them with a species from a foreign environment. Besides he has two threads on the same subject going at the same time. Chief Grey Bear Living is dangerous to your health Owner Ozark Fishing Expeditions Co-Owner, Chief Executive Product Development Team Jerm Werm Executive Pro Staff Team Agnew Executive Pro Staff Paul Dallas Productions Executive Pro Staff Team Heddon, River Division Chief Primary Consultant Missouri Smallmouth Alliance Executive Vice President Ronnie Moore Outdoors
Members Invert Interest Posted November 13, 2014 Members Posted November 13, 2014 Chief. Somehow, not quite sure how- you've come up with a poor conclusion if what a few of us have been trying to say here. Pretend you are in a conversation involving an actually topic that you have not been really paying attn to. Start your own thread. We all be there with bells on, im sure...
Chief Grey Bear Posted November 13, 2014 Posted November 13, 2014 Not sure I would drag the rest of them down your road. They don't seem to want to take that route and it appears to make you a little pissy. Chief Grey Bear Living is dangerous to your health Owner Ozark Fishing Expeditions Co-Owner, Chief Executive Product Development Team Jerm Werm Executive Pro Staff Team Agnew Executive Pro Staff Paul Dallas Productions Executive Pro Staff Team Heddon, River Division Chief Primary Consultant Missouri Smallmouth Alliance Executive Vice President Ronnie Moore Outdoors
Fly_Guy Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 So back to crawdads... my greatest concern would be with the possibility of novel parasites that our native crawdads have no resistance to (how did the native Americans fare against smallpox? ). Would variation in a separated population yield individuals that could potentially survive a mild winter (or migrate south over time), sure. Anything is possible, but parasites would be my strongest objection.
Members Invert Interest Posted November 14, 2014 Members Posted November 14, 2014 Hi Guy. Great subject. ty. Im actually more interested in the biology of the Blue Marron and Red Claw at this time, than actually raising some atm, Because of that very reason. Since they are already here in the US, available, and have garnered some interest over the past 10 yrs or so - I say the more learned the better. I think one of the reasons we haven't seen any live individuals is for the very reasons that actually make them such a great candidate for small home projects. Ive grown up with crawfish all my life. Ive seen my favorite creeks in the Bay Area (sf CA) go from magical (kids viewpoint lol) to paved with the developement of the BART monorail system and human commercial interest. I have seen a LOT of wildlife destroyed by greed and carelessness. I am also not a fan of seeing the rogue emu, hog, or even goldfish where they dont belong. ive seen first hand what happens when the invertebrate balance is thrown off. I personally, do not own anything of this nature, yet- and wont- until i learn more about them. I believe it would be EXTREMELY pro-active to have a few control groups out of "Crawdad Reach" of any body of water- in actual normal native crawdad conditions-and actual farm (very small project scale)involving the normal husbandry practices that an individual may use. use US specimens only. test them. Take Loooooots of notes, and post them in environmental stuff, the Missouri Conservationist etc. If they dont work, no harm done, and we can head off anything that may show up in the wild affecting our native 'dads. ty
Members Invert Interest Posted November 14, 2014 Members Posted November 14, 2014 To clarify- All groups described above would have all the normal precautions set up to prevent actual escape outside the confinement area. The Australians cant burrow, but provide a below ground barrier(in conjunction to any other approved system) cant hurt.
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