Bill, you and those who still do that job have my respect, I have recovered a few but not a job I ever liked or sought out. The old WP guys including Pat were solid gold for me. Up here, Hutton and Foster were always available and worth their weight in gold, nothing against the newer guys just seem to be harder to contact sometimes going through the MSHP system. I learned quite a bit from the "old WP guys" on recoveries. First year at Pomme in 92 we had a drowning in March, not sure exactly where he went down, lots of boats dragging, area kept expanding except for 2 old WP guys in an aluminum boat, kept dragging the same area, finally they pulled up the victim. I later asked them about why they stayed on that spot so long, "We rolled the body early in the dragging process but didn't hook him", of course I had to ask how they could know, "Son we've been doing this a long time, we know what it feels like to roll one". Never caught their names but they were true professionals. I hate to see it when a recovery is not made, don't remember now how many are un-recovered in TR but its got to be tough on a family not to have that final closure.