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LOL... your nuts, have no French fry love, or both. You must be one of those fat fry people. Freddy's fries are awesome; even better with the dipping sauce.

That looks fishy..

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So how do you fish them in small water. On Taney (from Phils videos), they are bouncing them off the bottom using a spin rod. Now remember his jigs are smallish.

I have always wondered. Will the jigs used with great success on Taney work in the other trout parks. I assume no because of vegetation, but curiosity got the best of me.

I really want to try and make it down this winter.

Yes... but that is funding source... the pool wasn't.

Any smallmouth in zone three?

I fished Meramec Springs on Friday. Bite was off there also, but like you caught some here and there.

I wouldn't poo poo the park for the pool too much. Small towns every where are having issues keeping pools opened. If the insurance doesn't get them, then a major upgrade will eventually. When the great recession government spending cuts happened, it took out a lot of amenities out that didn't pay for themselves.

Well my 2023 goal is to catch a river smallmouth on the fly. So send me two... LOL

Updated 9 Jan... Fshndoug: Trythisonemv: nomolites: Squirrel and Herl - Got Address (thanks) Daryk Campbell Sr: Black Ghost Streamer - Got Address (thanks) budman: BilletHead: Flysmallie: MIC: Mini Leach - Have address TBD TBD TBD

What I found interesting the charts is the density of fish in the wetter years... talking 400-500+ fish per mile. I by no means want to flood anyone out, but come on rain. I try to never fish the creek in really hot July/Aug weather. I think I will add a focus to rainfall also.

Sharing with all: Thanks for your interest in Blue Springs Creek! I am the biologist that oversees it and other Meramec basin streams. We typically survey the wild trout population about every 3 years, and just completed a survey this past fall. While numbers of fish are lower than we’ve seen during wetter years, there is still a great population of trout in the stream. I’ve included a graphic showing population estimates over several decades – the population is definitely impacted by the amount of precipitation we get, with wetter years having more fish than drier years. In addition to total numbers of fish, we look at sizes as well (2nd graphic) – the management goal for the wild streams are that we have at least 3 year-classes of fish present, so we should see 1 yr old fish in the 4-6 inch range, 2 yr old fish in the 7-9 inch range, and 3 yr old fish at 10+ inches. I was happy with the sizes we saw this year. Regarding the habitat, depth & cover does change over time in Blue Spring Creek – depending on the rainfall event, it can deposit gravel in one flood and scour it away in another flood. We try to ensure the wooded riparian area next to the stream is in good shape to keep streambanks stable, that trees/rootballs fall in the stream for fish cover at a natural rate, and also provide shade for the stream. While there are shallow spots with not much fish cover in the area you mentioned, there is enough habitat to hold several year classes of fish through that stretch. As holes deepen or another tree falls in and creates a scour hole, the fish seem to find those areas relatively quickly. is it true you don’t do stream improvements because they wash away all the time? I would say that’s not 100% correct. In-stream projects/habitat additions/etc. have been done on several of the trout streams and in the trout parks. Yes, several (most? I don’t know of a running tally of them kept statewide since many are done locally) of them have become unusable for several reasons: gravel is deposited on top during a flood and buries them, or floods sweep them away or breaks them apart. One big reason we have not tried any on Blue Springs Creek is the amount of impact the heavy machinery needed to install a structure that can stand up to a flash flood would have on the intact riparian corridor. There are not many places were we would not have to remove large, mature trees in order to bring the habitat to the stream. I prefer greatly to let nature take its course and allow the trees to fall in naturally to recreate cover, which happens a lot. Yes, there are stretches were deeper cover could hold additional trout; however the overall fish population is somewhat stable so I don’t see that instream cover is the limiting factor for them. Water levels and temperature appear to be way more of influencers than lack of deep holes. I’m a layman, but I have only seen population estimates in fish per mile. Is the estimate below from the spring to the river? I track the population for the whole MDC area (approximately 3 miles). It does not include what’s above MDC on Camp MiHaska property. I don’t want to hot hole, but this a debate I hear all the time. Do you find significant numbers of all class years from the river up to the turn in for the Blue Springs Ranch? I want to fish it, but people tell me all the time not to waste my time. Part of the reason I use the area population is that it is significantly different upstream to downstream. The lower end by Blue Springs Ranch has a less dense (whether you measure it in fish/mi or fish/sampling time effort) – there are all sizes classes present down there, but they are few and far between. What year do the fish lose par marks? Usually by year 3 and/or by the time they get to the 8 inch range. I’ve seen some bigger ones with marks, and some 7 inchers without marks. When they lowered the tunnels below the highway so there was no waterfall anymore… did that do anything to the numbers above and below the highway? That was a natural phenomenon – they have not moved the culverts. I’ve seen the scour hole fill in one other time when a tree got lodged just right below the concrete apron. I think it will recreate the scour hole/waterfall again as flash floods come through. We did not see any overall differences in densities above and below compared to other years, but the scour/waterfall area itself is holding less and smaller fish. (The ever changing stream bed as evidenced by what can happen with the scour hole during a flood goes back to the top question about why we don’t do more instream habitat work.)

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Found the link...it is between the 2 minute and 2:30.

What you calling it?

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I'm sorry I can't remember his name, but the famous British guide on the white river does that. I saw him in a video a long time go. He had a four fly wet rig but casted upstream. He would bounce the top fly.

Maybe came down from the creek above the spring when the creek got cold.

Like someone said above... all about rain.

So I asked... here is what the state biologist said. I'll try to post the charts when I get to my personal computer, but looks like they are estimating 750 fish in the stream. The most fish were in the 4.5-5 inch range, with decent population of 7.5 to 9 inches, and looks like they got one 13 incher (a beast in this creek). The average over time is 1000 fish with 2010 survey just blowing out the rest at over 2000 (but 2013 being the worst around 250) and 2016 being the last good year around 1750. Thanks for your interest in Blue Springs Creek! I am the biologist that oversees it and other Meramec basin streams. We typically survey the wild trout population about every 3 years, and just completed a survey this past fall. While numbers of fish are lower than we’ve seen during wetter years, there is still a great population of trout in the stream. I’ve included a graphic showing population estimates over several decades – the population is definitely impacted by the amount of precipitation we get, with wetter years having more fish than drier years. In addition to total numbers of fish, we look at sizes as well (2nd graphic) – the management goal for the wild streams are that we have at least 3 year-classes of fish present, so we should see 1 yr old fish in the 4-6 inch range, 2 yr old fish in the 7-9 inch range, and 3 yr old fish at 10+ inches. I was happy with the sizes we saw this year. Regarding the habitat, depth & cover does change over time in Blue Spring Creek – depending on the rainfall event, it can deposit gravel in one flood and scour it away in another flood. We try to ensure the wooded riparian area next to the stream is in good shape to keep streambanks stable, that trees/rootballs fall in the stream for fish cover at a natural rate, and also provide shade for the stream. While there are shallow spots with not much fish cover in the area you mentioned, there is enough habitat to hold several year classes of fish through that stretch. As holes deepen or another tree falls in and creates a scour hole, the fish seem to find those areas relatively quickly. Hopefully this helps reassure you that although this was a drier fall than average, that the wild trout are still surviving well in the stream. Please let me know if you have other questions,

I got a new telescope for Xmas...so I can guarantee bad weather for the next three weeks.

I didn't mean to voluntold you, but if it works... the more the merrier. You good with 4 Feb?

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