Lancer09

Your right.... I did. It wasn't that bad I just had to hour them in carefully. Sorry that last message of mine was nearly unreadable.

Mike is head and shoulders above where I am. His are just packed a lot tighter and his proportions look better as well as his trimming is crisp. It does however just take a LOT of practice and wasted deer hair. I know doing some divers for the smallmouth swap a while back made me a lot better, and faster with packing hair too. For the fly above I spun a layer of gray to get a base and then stacked a layer on the bottom and then stacked my colors on the top of the hook. I have always had better luck getting the bottom color to come higher on the body of the fly that way but that's just me. Also, steaming the fly after the initial trim can help get everything freshened up and you can hit it with a razor one more time and get some really neat nice lines.

Jump in on the Brown Trout streamer swap next summer. He has done it the last two years with us. I've finished six of each. I'm slowly wrapping them up at about one every couple of days or so.

Well I started one. I have it trimmed and started in the hair. I'll be coming back to it. I think I had six clumps of hair to the eye and y pi r right that la sad one is a real bear. It takes a ton of deer hair first sure too. It's not as good as mikes but it's coming along. I still have to do the tail, the second set of fins and finish the mohawk.

Insane. Now I want to try one. Are you doing all the deer hair and glueing in the feathers around that? How many clumps of deer hair are you stacking on top and bottom? what kind of packer are you using? Good Grief.

That is awesome! What hook were you working with there.

Did you buy chance buy Cohen's book to help with that or just wing it?

Insane.

I'm thinking that I may be there to check this out. I with I could actually go on the trip but hearing about it first hand is better than Nothing.

Looking good to me. I'm digging that top one a lot.

Yes. I had to bail last year. That isn't happening again. I can bring beer, and flies. A lot of both.

I want to do this.

Oh Yeah that'll fish real Well.

Stonefly nymph. Size 8.

For the pond swap I will be doing a dragonfly nymph. They flat out catch fish on weedlines.

For the trout swap I'm doing a stonefly nymph. I have started those. For the pond swap I'm leaning toward some wiggle minnows.

Mic if you wanted to open to more people I'm fine with that. I don't mind tying a dozen or more of each

I'll tie both. Don't know what yet.

I'll join. However I think a straight trout swap might pull more interest?

The reason there have been openings for backs is because they have been playing to prevent the quarterbacks that they have been playing from rushing. Outside of the Philly and Buffalo games I don't believe they have allowed a 100 game. I think KC gets it 27-24. We have faced the toughest defenses of the season for our offense and we have had two weeks to prep. Now our Defense needs to play against the best offenses that they have seen. It also doesn't hurt that the Chiefs have one of the best turnover margins, and the broncos have been fumbling like it's going out of style. I think they play some SERIOUS bump and run with the corners and Peyton is going to be in for a long day if Poe can collapse the pocket and prevent him from stepping up. Andy needs to take a note out of Rex Ryan's book (I hope I never have to say that again) and tell the refs to watch some of the ridiculous, and illegal at that pick plays the receivers have been running.

Good stuff Mike!

Good, Good Stuff.

They are definitely starting to move. Yesterday morning I rattled in a Buck and made my first kill with a bow. That's an awesome Buck for sure!

Those are pretty good odds compared to a lot of other teams. Also this is the first team since the 77 Falcons to allow 17 or fewer points to every opponent through the first 8 games.

Who is to say they WILL put up the points thou . No one has yet against them.