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Ozark & Lilley's Distinguished Fraternity of Angling Retirees of Taneycomo Society OLD FARTS Good one Terry!!

My Discos are finished and will go into the mail today.

Yep, I was smokin dope when I wrote the title. Oops!! It is Peacock herl. But ostrich does work well. I like to tie the chickabou in a bunch, similar to marabou

It isn't just the parks. Missouri changed their law and now EVERYONE who fishes for trout must have a trout stamp. I had to buy one for my 11 year old to fish Taney too. I am not sure if this is new this year or if it started last year, but it is pretty new.

Count me in too. I will tie up some black and olive disco buggers. Lets see how they work in Baghdad. I will also throw in some material.

You make an excellent point Phil. If a fish is obviously not coming by the head and you are confident that you have fouled it back, then let it off, no doubt. Plus they fight funny like that and it is just no fun at all.

It looks alot like the Lightning bug that was hot on the White last fall. Those were tied with black thread though.

Last time I fished, I netted a brown for a guy. It was a beautiful fish 20+ inches and fat. He caught it on a two fly rig, and the second fly had fouled on the fish during the fight. The poor guy couldn't enjoy his very beautiful fish because he was sure that he fouled it. He almost let it shake off even because he was almost sure it was foul, not legitimate. I guess my point is that everyone is so uptight that this guy didn't truly get to enjoy the fight because he wasn't sure he had a "clean" catch. Relax a little! Don't fish unethically, make every effort to avoid foul hooks, even cast off the ones you are sure are foul, and enjoy the day. Tight lines!!

Norfork is a short run of river, only 4.5 miles. Why not make it C&R only? I mean it would only make bait fishing on the White better. Few people live near the fork (or on it), so I don't see how bait chunkers could say that they are being made to drive to the White. They have to drive right there to access the Fork. Seems to me it would greatly ease enforcement.

Sounds like some sort of closed cell foam. Really dense, but still essentially foam. I hope it is legal, because I use a foam hopper a lot. Thanks Phil for getting a straight answer.

I really like the unreal egg pattern. You can find the recipe posted here. It has a bead, so it stays close to the bottom, and if tied with antron or something similar, is pretty tough. Plus it is easy to tie.

Good point Leonard. Sup Griff!! You think I should switch to Decaf??? I guess I was jealous since I don't really have to worry about what I would do with a fish like that. C&R Nazi... C&R Jedi... I will go with C&R theorist... since you gotta catch before you can release

That seems uncalled for. I for one see no reason for you to give attitude toward the forum, or toward everyone here. A couple of people voiced opinions which you apparently didn't appreciate. If that hurt you that deeply, perhaps you are due some soul searching. This forum has always been dedicated to freedom of speech. Opinions are welcomed, even if some disagree. So a few people didn't like your killing a big fish, big deal. If you feel no guilt, then what is the problem. I would point out that it was Phil that first posted in support of you. It was a beautiful fish. I am glad that you had a great day on Taneycomo, and I thank you for posting honestly about how you caught it. I also am a catch and release advocate, and would gladly discuss catch and release vs catch and kill if you are interested. And I would like to know how you prepared it for the table, if you did eat it (I didn't know if you were going to mount it or eat it).

Many of my favorite memories are of fish being released. When I was about 14, my father caught and released a big female bass in front of a crowd. That was great. The fish, a 5-6LBS female largemouth, hit a topwater right at the feet of 3 or 4 bank fishermen standing on a ledge about 4 ft from the water. They were amazed to see the fish hit. They were even more amazed when dad held up that beautiful lady for them to admire. But when he gently laid her back in the water without even hesitating, I thought they would jump in after it. Dad just smiled and said "your turn." I have always believed that putting a fish back, big or small, means that you and I will have another opportunity to catch that fish later when it is bigger. But I also realize that big fish are also old fish. They don't live forever. Anybody ever seen a big fish dead on the water?? I figure that we should all be advocates of catch and release. If we really think ourselves sportsmen and conservationists then we have to be. But we all have to accept that fish die. So if a fish gets killed by a fisherman, that is how it works.

I tie a really basic foam popper using white, and I sometimes use it as an indicator. I enjoy using a big ole foam hopper as an indicator, especially when midging, so this one works well for me when they are really finicky. Use a pretty big thin wire hook. I like #10 aberdeen hooks, but a #8 dry hook will work very well. Tie in a basic tail. I like a water resistant tail, like feather duster bristles, but antron works pretty well too. Tie it in at the bend, and make it just a little shorter than the hook shank. Next, cut a strip of foam about 3/8 inch wide and 2 inches long. Taper one end. Tie in the foam so that the taper ends at the tie in point. If your taper is long, you can start at the eye and wrap all the way back, just remember, you are just making a fat body. Compressed foam doesn't float. Now you are ready for a body. I like to use antron or sparkle braid, but dubbed bodies work well too. On darker patterns, I use peacock herl. Make an even body that is not too big, but don't skimp. You need this to get wet so your fly will float upright. Stop your body about 2 to 3 eye widths from the eye. That should leave your thread at about 2 to 3 eyes from the eye. Now, fold the foam forward and tie it down. Tie it pretty tight, you want the foam to flare. After a couple of good tight wraps to secure the foam, you can add a couple of legs to either side at this point. I like crystal flash or flashabou, but you could use rubber legs just as well. fold your excess foam back and create a head in front of it. Make it a good head so the foam will stick up when we trim it. Whip finish at this point. Now, trim the foam in an arc so that it forms a lip. The fly should gurgle when you strip it. This is an excellent pattern for panfish as well, and will take bass in the hot summer when junebugs are on the water. I tie it in white, green, and orange. I use a foam fly as a hopper quite often. I am not really looking to take trout on the floater, but more like maximizing my chances. I think a big active indicator fly will bring trout to investigate, where they find a tasty morsel hanging out just 18 inches away. I will try to find a picture to post.

Amen Russ!! The free sharing of information on this forum, and others like it, is always amazing to me. Thank You from jOrOb as well!

I like the idea of focusing on organized sports. There has been a lot of Cardinal talk on this forum in the past (although the Cards have done a pretty good job of quashing it). With all of the college and pro teams in the region, it should go well. I like the subforums here since I can look at what I am interested in and skip the rest. I think you should stay with that. Perhaps a subheading for each team. Kinda like this: Professional athletics: St Louis Cardinals Kansas City Royals St Louis Rams KC Cheifs College athletics: Arkansas Razorbacks Missouri Tigers Missouri State Bears Oklahoma Sooners Kansas Jayhawks (hey flex) You get the idea. I like the hunting forums too. Phil, maybe you could add hunting forums here?? Chat is a good idea too, and Swimsuit models on the chat line sounds even better (with webcams??)

I really like the way the black has purple flash in it. Looks like a winner to me. But then if I was a fish I wouldn't get very big. I have been experimenting, and have come up with a pretty effective way to add a tail. After you tie in, extend about 1 to 2 inches. Clamp on your hackle pliers. Now spin the crap out of it. It takes a number of spins, and you want it pretty tight. Now double the material back from your hackle pliers to the tie in point. This should leave one half spun really tight and the other jus there. Tie it in to hold it. Now release the hackle pliers and allow the two sections to twist up on each other. Now pick out the tail and palmer the body. I have seen this technique used with a really long dubbing loop to make tails and it works pretty well. I like the one continuous material concept. It is really durable. The material I use is called Bernat disco yarn. The website Greg found is exactly the ticket and is pretty reasonable. I think I paid over $5 for mine. I didn't see that really intense purple on this site, but you know how photos can be. I have been considering the Brown, and possibly a two color model mixing the silver.

I will be glad to swap some. I bought mine at Wal Mart, but it is a huge quantity so I haven't bought any in awhile.

I was just getting off duty and heading home. When the first reports came over the radio I didn't think much of it. When the reports of the second plane came in, I was floored. I remember getting notice after notice that we needed to secure our equipment and be prepared for more attacks. We spent the whole day on pins and needles waiting. The following days were not any better. The anxiety of not knowing if another attack was coming, mixed with the knowledge that many of my brothers and sisters were in those towers was like a weight, always there. We all wanted to help, but all we could do was watch. I don't ever remember being surprised though.

There is a great resource for kids in AR called Dry Run Creek. It is a pretty good drive from you, but it is fantastic fishing. Dry Run is a small feeder creek that runs from the Norfork National Fish Hatchery to the Norfork River. It is under 16 with an adult or handicapped fishing only. No adult fishing, but you can assist your kids. Single barbless hooks, and artificials only. No power bait or scented baits of course. The fishing on Dry Run is awesome every day and your boys will have an absolute blast. Plus, there are a number of BIG fish in there.

There's a good one!! Glad to hear everyone is doing great.

Man that is excellent! There is nothing better than that big grin. John, I saw the Bennett post. That is cool!! I would be interested in knowing if anyone is using different colors, and which ones are working.

Quite the contrary Roland, you captured the essence of the Disco. It is supposed to be wild and wooley. You good picture taker!!

Seems to me Ming was misunderstood. Looks like we are all argueing the same thing, that 51 fish is possible (and not even a stretch) and that we believe that Jim did it. Coincidentally, I fished yesterday and managed one fish. Was it a really bad day or do I just suck???