Wayne SW/MO

They can claim what they want in the way of professionalism, but I think the real ystem is one of intelligent guessing. Personally i think they do a pretty good job of guessing the weather.

I don't believe it is a problem of filling up on fish guts but one of running out of new arrivals. Once the newly stocked fish are removed you're left with fish that have survived because they are different. Whether they are more cautious or what can be debated forever, but they are harder to catch. They have been cleaning fish streamside since I can remember and that goes back a few decades.

I suppose it depends on where and when, but the river gauges give rainfall at their locations. Rainfall varies so much it is hard to pin down for any one location.

If you want to put a boat in it would have to be at the Taneyville/Forsyth road or Shadow Rock. The only access to the dam would most likely be at the bank below Empire, but you won't reach the channel.

It's hard to put it in perspective from that angle, but I've seen it with a 3',4' (?) drop. I've often wondered how high BS would have to be and how much release from TR to simply make a bump at Powersite. BS has a 695 top of flood pool, but I don't know the heigth of the Powersite dam.

I voted no, towns have been moved out of flood plains before and in overall cost it's a cheaper fix.

As Al said there are ways to control illegal immigration while providing workers and opportunities for citizenship. It wouldn't be hard to take it to the private sector and have them set up temporary workers from non threatening countries. A company could take orders for workers from American employers, be responsible for background checks, health insurance, and maybe most important seeing that they leave or are deported if they complete a contract of break laws.

No doubt there were those who got into the country without notice, but I doubt that it was anything approaching a problem because of transportation restraints. Like all things in the past, nothing is written about the trivial. Ships had passenger manifest as far back as the 1600's. I would think Jumping Ship or a route through Canada would be an option, but not a change in culture that would affect the political stance of the country or the economy. I'm sure much of what you say about the revolutionary officers is true, but any force has to have a pyramid of leadership. I would think this would be even more true with a force comprised of many teenagers. I still contend that it wasn't fought exclusively by "Illegal Immigrates".

What do you think this country would look like if it was allowed to be overrun by undocumented immigrates from the rest of the world. I suspect Canada would have to build a border fence.

Well it's kind of confusing Flytier57, you say that our military is to "Deny the rights of other to enter this country". I didn't realize that anyone had a "right" to enter this country illegally. I disagree with your take that the shooter being illegal had no bearing. If he was where he belonged he wouldn't have been at the creek. If you don't have an armed robber you don't have an armed robbery.

If the illegal immigration problem was a few Mexican nationals slipping across the border to work we probably wouldn't have this discussion, but it is not. It fuels a whole criminal enterprise that not only includes drugs, but kidnapping and slavery. Central Americans are being kidnapped and put in slavery in southern Mexico, baited by an offer of a trip to the US. People our being kidnapped and held for ransom in southern AZ. There are shootouts in highway rest stops over cartel territories. The list doesn't end there, they also catch Chinese, Arabs, and other nationals attempting to sneak into this country. So Flytier57, you prefer an anarchist approach to immigration rather than orderly controlled one?

Nonsense, How would you define an illegal immigrant in 1776? While it's true that the majority of the troops in the trenches were either poor, indentured or small land owners, the higher classes were involved also. Most of them financed troops and provided sons to act as officers. Can you quote the English law that made all of them illegal?

Quite a few of my ancestors were veterans, including the Revolution. Yes I have done the work establishing my ancestry. I'm a veteran myself. As to your, "Deny the rights of other to enter this country", I assume that you mean illegal entry. We have had a system for entering legally and becoming a citizen for many decades From your comments can I assume you would have no problem with someone you don't know entering your house through the back door, eating you food, using your meds, sending you their medical bills, even if they came to do you harm?? Do you think our immigration laws are a waste of time and we should turn our backs to the borders? It certainly sounds like it.

Interesting. I wonder if Forsyth was still on Swan creek? If it was I imagine it hastened their move to the ridge. Rockaway would have been completely inundated.

It won't be the first time. Virtually all of the kid drownings in the river were during high water. The current is fast and if a canoe gores over no one can swim that fast.

That is not a qualification for the office of president. The constitution says nothing about an individuals ancestors or their origin, but it does require the president to be born in this country.

I doubt there are any figures on Taney. It isn't a flood control lake and has no flood pool and no flood gates. Even the power pool can only be controlled by TR, which wasn't always the case. It is generally a foot less than the TR tail water at the Powersite dam.

So are we to assume that some of you would have opened the gates to the maximum and let her rip?

I've eaten possum, but I wouldn't say it was good, too greasy. I've also eaten coons and groundhogs, and while both of them are fatty, they aren't to the degree possum is. Actually groundhog is pretty good, but it's the only herbivore in the bunch.

Overall considering there were heavy rainfalls over the whole upper White watershed the corp did a pretty good job of minimizing damage. Hindsight is always 20/20 and the most useful tool of speculators, but of all the options open to the corp it seems they chose the right one. Maybe their experience helps?

I don't see Beaver influencing TR dam. Are there examples in other areas where downstream dams are modified to hold back upstream failures? I would think the more important aim would be to prevent topping of TR and washing out the downstream side. There's a lot of real estate and lives that could be at risk if TR failed.

The corp looks at the long term and I believe it's predicted to be a dry year. If the long term forecast holds they won't dump any out of BS, just extra for the grid.

I can remember seeing baskets made from them when I was a kid. I was watching a wildlife show a few days ago and they said that either the Armadillo or opossums can carry tuberculosis, I can't remember which it was..

The ramp at Hootentown is generally slicker then snot after a flood. I don't know about Delaware.

It's always smart to make a hasty exit when someone you don't know is armed.