Wayne SW/MO

Lake or river?

I doubt it. I thought when the Sam Welch and Jim Rogers love affair ended things would change, but after nearly 30 years, each new super follows the norm. They bought most of the watershed, and that was a good thing, but other than that most of what they do is aimed at the $ under the guise of improving the park. Actually most of the big expenses have been toward making Rogers rich. They bought Vogel's to give the park access to the river, and then closed it public launch. They ran the campers out of the bottom in order make the park more "natural" and then built high dollar condos and cabins for Rogers to rent. It's a joke... on us.

Wrench did you ever do any good with Hula replica?

It's unfortunate that we have to share the outdoors with slobs, but in my opinion most of it goes back to upbringing. I was taught, without any options to not litter and it was reinforced in school and the military. I passed it to my kids and it's being passed down from there. I have to say that I believe there is less trash in the rivers now, not at the accesses, since outfitters started providing trash bags and they along with locked coolers are the law. The worst trash dump on a river I've seen was one on the Elk downstream of the hiway 43 bridge. Hispanics had a riverside area that they were using and it was a dump, no exaggeration. I don't think it was a reflection of their race, but one of how they were taught. Bank fishing areas don't escape our own upstanding citizens either. As far as going off on the old guy, can't agree. I think it would have been better to tell him you don't know where he fishes, but where you do many pick up after others and that outfitters try to keep it clean. Truth is he probably hadn't been on a river in a long time and was blowing smoke for someones benefit.

Good points Steve. There is no mention of things that we can't fix, if it's obvious you can't fix it, you can't be paid for trying, not that DC wouldn't try. Pavement and roofs create tremendous amounts of heat, trees that could absorb CO2 are long gone, third world countries are choked in pollution providing cheaper goods. The bottom line is there are very few politicians of any persuasion, here or abroad, that cares enough to turn down a nickle.

It will be normal, it always is. The weekends are crowded and if you stay below the spring and above the long hole it will also fish normal.

I have to agree with Jeb, it's not whether or not the globe is warming, we all know it is and should have expected it. There are ways to help the transition and maybe prolong some of it, but they aren't politically profitable. To say any party or politician is going to actually do anything about it is insane. Tim how much of that was fueled by bug killed timber left standing because some environmentalist demanded it? How much man power was diverted to save homes built in the forest, but where the owner wouldn't clear a fire break before a fire?

You don't want to do Dr Evil in. If now one pulls him and you get his number you can keep hanging his replica on the wall after every pound gain. I think you're right about the motors, electrics would probably work fine and they could allow 225's, as long as they were up!

Lee G if you want to try your hand at trout the Niangua might work for you.

I think that's the real mystery. He was fired, but he has record that the Chiefs can sure use. Why he was fired is probably what will determine a lot of what he does with the Chiefs. I have no idea, just saying if he's tired of coaching he won't do us much good. If Philly just thought they needed a change to excite the fans then we can use their loss for our gain. Mistakes are made sometimes in drafting and good players don't work out for many reasons and it doesn't take many overpaid players to drag a team below their potential. I though Bowe's fall off was triggered in part, if not all, by the inability of Cassel to hit him without his having to stop and take a hit on crossing patterns.

I don't think you can compare QB's using stats from different teams. Different schedules, lines, receivers, etc. No one was a bigger critic of Cassel than me, he had bad written all over him when he arrived. When QB is second string in college you can't expect much, he either beats out the starter or transfers and starts. What Cassel seriously lacked, accuracy on crossing routes, I hope Smith has. I don't like to speculate on their chances, not with a new coach and a new QB. They have a better defense than what the offense allowed. I think they'll do well if the offense can keep them in games and allow the defense to play a normal game. The offense is close if the line comes through along with Smith and the receivers. It will be interesting to see how the new coach approaches the LSU defensive linemen. They haven't played to their draft potential. I've followed them from the time they stepped off the plane from Dallas at the downtown airport and Holub said how happy they were to be in KC and after Stram and Dawson left it's been "next year" every since.

When I concentrate on smallie in the Niangua I always catch a few trout, even on top sometimes.

We were going to do a 2 day float,, but backed out because of uncertain weather. The river looks good, but all the love around 64 is filling it in fast in the first 3 or 4 miles it seems.. I knew of of an old fellow who lived around the river all his life and he did well on browns, he fished late and deep.

It's a world problem that the world isn't interested in and here the solutions all depend on the depth of the pockets being filled. As long as any solutions here are aimed more at profits and graft rather then real help before and after it's just lip service for justification. The fact we aren't burning OUR natural gas which would reduce emissions some and relieve a heck of a lot of funds to use here for warming causes is enough, or should, to know there is no real effort.

Dragging can be good. With rain comes more floaters.

Gravel bars come and go. Brian I would think the parents of the 18 year old could have owned all the landowner had. The guy on the ATV would have been their agent I would think and their responsibility..

This is all speculation at best. Until the shooter goes to court and reveals his defense there is no way of knowing if river access will even come up. I doubt his lawyer will want use a loosely defined right as a defense. He's going to have a hard time getting past "I'm nuts, but not that nuts". He can't claim a Castle defense because I don't believe it covers land. He will have a hard time trying self defense because his actions put the floaters in a self defense mode first. The bottom line is if the information available is accurate it will probably be a common second defense verdict and what compelled him will probably determine his sentence. If they were on a gravel bar it won't matter because unless he owns both sides of the river there is no way the floaters could know who's land they might be on.

Given the record of stream management in Missouri I don't think I would want the legislature to address it, no matter which party has a majority. There's a standard case that many states, at least in the east, follow, but Missouri is not one that has adopted it. Sorry I can't remember the official name and don't care to look for it. We have a loose normal high water access grant that seems to work. One nut does not change that. It's hard to speculate on what the overall atmosphere was at the confrontation, but clearly deadly force wasn't needed and it sounds as if the shooter wasn't wrapped real tight.

If you're trying to prepare her for trout fishing I would use a small yellow foam spider on top, a cap spider under a float and a small bugger or clouser for a streamer. Part of the problem trying to prepare someone for trout through an introduction to warm water fish is that trout, as a rule, aren't nearly as aggressive, especially on top. You don't want her expecting a hit and missing the "sips". You could also make some trips to Roaring River and the Beaver tailwater. Some of the drys and nymphs could be the same used in CO.

I not only remember the pinkeyed white,but I have one. I have to say though I haven't thrown it in decades.

Sounds like the landowner had a serious mental problem. He had to be waiting and looking for trouble, you don't just happen to come across someone pissing in the woods, have a gun and fire it for effect if you're in your right mind. There are also those landowners who migrate from cities who also have a different mindset. They guy went looking and was willing to pull the trigger and going from air to a head isn't going to get self defense,rock or no rock. They women had a right in the face of someone shooting thirt direction to arm herself. The problem with navigatble lies in the interpretation. At one time it meant any waterway that could be used for navigation. Any year around waterway could be used by early inhabitants for direction. If you're lost a permenent stream is a reliable direction.

As long as you don't mind a little walk you should be fine. If you go to the back side you can even park a rig at Springfield.

Did you check the state park? They generally have openings and they are reserveable. http://www.icampmo.com/SearchPark.aspx

Yeah, I've had mine awhile, had to pay almost $600 for it shipped to a freight dock in Springfield.

Foam grasshopper this time of the year.