Wayne SW/MO

I spent 13 years in central OR, outside Prineville, great fishing in the Deschutes for redbands and world class smallie fish in the John Day.

Have they released recently? It could also be that they had a run get a little bigger and they didn't want to start any grumbling about size in the park. I was told many years ago that they didn't like to dump any bigger than average fish in the park because then people would ask why they didn't always do that.

Ain't that the truth. It smells pretty bad really if you think about. They say they need numbers, no names or addresses, so that if a number shows up in an overseas contact they can pull up the info for the FBI to investigate. So the question is, why can't they just do warrant to the carrier when and if a number needs attention/ Why would they need the numbers before hand? They will know it exist because someone is calling it. They will know the carrier and the location without this so called billion dollar program. This doesn't pass the smell test and it should raise eyebrows that congress, both parties, are trying to reassure the people that it is benign. That's bull!

Yes and he could have taken the whistle blower route and gone to his congressman, and I believe that would have relieved him of prosecution.

I lived for awhile up the hollow from Bennett on 32 acres about a mile off of 64 and we had a small remote pond on it. There was a cottonmouth on it, but it was gone after a couple of years and I assumed it didn't like the traffic from myself and the dogs coming down to fish it or it went looking for a mate. I've never seen one on the Niangua, but I fish the busy part.

Yup. Not that many farther south either. I've seen water moccasins, sorry that's what I grew up calling them, lie on the bottom and I always believed they were lying in ambush waiting for a minnow to swim by. I suppose they could be freezing up to hide, but they have never seemed to be that afraid of humans when they are in the water.

We just get a run around. The NSA director and the congress is saying they aren't keeping anything but phone numbers, no names, no other informatiom. But they can get the name and have the FBI investigate it if a number shows up on the other end of a suspicious overseas number. Sounds good if you're 5 years old, but why do they need the numbers now? Couldn't they just find out the name of the individual from the phone company, through a warrant, when there is real probable cause? I don't buy it and it doesn't pass the common sense test or the smell test.

Hey, lets keep it clean Bill.

Certainly true. I don't know that being a private contractor was the issue with Snowden for most, but what he was contracted to do. On the other hand his method of outing the information is indeed very close to treason, if not treason. He had other avenues.

Way back they weren't as common in the Osage as in the White. Any length differential should depend on their affect in the total population of black basses. I think the reason there was so much opposition on TR was because of all the tournaments and guides. More fish, even if smaller pleases a lot fishermen and that isn't a criticism because the majority do fish to catch "keeper" fish, not to target bigger fish.

He's talking eats stlskyline. The gravel bar at Sands is said to be good, but I haven't been there since it changed. There's a good hamburger place on the right above Larry's that is worth eating lunch at. The Lodge isn't bad and was reasonably priced. There's also a place just west of Sands, Oak something?, that is new and I haven't heard anything about it. Of course Lebanon has everything your heart could desire.

And as a liberal will this be open to to downtrodden who can't afford to pay club fees?

And they are great conservationist, no wait, I think they are now an insurance company disguised as a family farm advocate and keeper of the land ?

With your conditions I would think the area across from the power plant would be the obvious choice. It's pretty good fishing from what is reported and there are fishing docks. I don't know what the night time rules are , but there are people on here that do.

I don't think you'll find much solitude on the Kings this time of the year where there's an easy launch.

I suppose it depends on ones background. I grew up with snakes and around people who get very upset if a black snake or the like was killed. The snakes kept the rodents in check, took care of vagrant eggs and did only good. The poisonous one were rare and one knew where they should look before they stepped. The other side of the poisonous snake problem is the Copperhead which seems to have a bad habit of staying close to people and you can't teach kids or some dogs to avoid them. So unless you know where to get some kings, there isn't much you can do.

You're in a different situation Justin and I agree you have an obligation to assume your campers are ignorant of the area and therefore have to protect them.

This reminds me of a bass tournament I fished on Lake Texoma in the 70's. On the second day the leader, who was deathly afraid of snakes, was fishing a stand of willows. These willows grow in large patches and can be a hot place to fish at times, but always have a lot snakes and birds around. Anyway, according to his partner a small snake came in through the transom drain and proceeded to travel toward the front deck. When the snake, which was something like 18" long, got on the front deck the story teller alerted the other to the snakes presence. Much to his surprise the guy on the front deck left the boat. :lol: I can't post on here what the guy in the front was calling the guy telling the story to a crowd after the weigh in.

I don't think I would trust any waders to protect me from a poisonous snake. The fact is they might provide you a false security and get you in trouble. I would keep the money and apply it to a kayak. I think you'll find that cottonmouths aren't normally a threat in the water. I would keep my eyes open on land when portaging and make sure you can keep a reasonable distance from anywhere they can hide. Water moccasins, as I've always called them, will often be attracted to splashing because it's a diner bell to them. This can make them seem aggressive when they aren't, but they don't have a big fear of man and the fact they are numerous in places can make some uneasy, but they are harmless.

Yup It's quite a show watching one swallow something that has a larger diameter than they do. I'm with Ham. I grew up in a rural area and have several times as an adult and there is not a better friend than snakes.

There would likely have to be a relay involved because of the fact it tried to raise when it was already passed the limit. The problem, I would think has to be beyond the control buttons because the current from them should be in front of the limits. A short in or beyond the limit could do it. I.E., if the lower path was getting to the raise it would do the opposite because one should be energized all the time.

Do jigs, more fish and more lost. For twins you can do this. http://www.barlowstackle.com/Twin-Spin-Wire-Forms-P913C124.aspx

Simple, they don't conform to the lengths used to manage black bass. They will will run shorter in length and if you put in a slot limit for managing overpopulation they will screw it up.

They virtually always take a defensive stance and their options for engagement are short. There's really no reason to fear a snake you can see.

Yup, mine went at 57 and never got to retire. I suppose if I was going to try and give a sliver of advise it would be to not intend to change your life now to enhance your later years, take all you can get when you can get it. By the way, my mother is 97, so you never know.